If you read the post you will see the community saying how wrong I am and to be honest they are all right.
As an exercise for deal blizzard I give them this link
‘https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=healers+shadowlands’
to see that all but in all videos holy priests are placed to the very bottom of m+, raiding and pvp content. The only streamer that does not do that is the video that I shared on my first post.
So dear blizzard why one more patch where holy priests will be bottom tier? Just why? What is wrong in picking this spec. And no we do not want to play disc, we want to have the pure class feeling of a healer (like having prot warrior for tanking).
Why also in pvp we have to be at so bad state (so many hard casts). Holy priests benefit from open space fight (to keep max distance from teammates) and even arenas are closed box ínteractions.
Blizzard’s attitude is more likely than not “priest already has 1 healer spec that works, let’s not think about the other one. Oh, and let’s buff resto druids.”
They will, because disc below 30% haste and a reasonalbe amount of crit does not work, when discs gear up in SL and reach close to these stats they will be overpowered so a nerf is for sure awaiting them and with a good reason.
Although, in the raiding part the whole raid team must play along discs so that the spec will output properly, that cant happen to all raids therefore Holy is still superior in some cases.
In m+ disc works alot better and with alot less effort but that comes when the group is not taking avoidable damage, no matter what you do or how good gereared you are you will never be able to heal a pug that takes avoidable damage as disc, not even with the current new changes.
Holy is by far better for M+ pugs again as it can spam big heals in apotheosis+santify and Hymn works well to a party that does not stack up for x-y reasons.
The only thing that worries me about holy/disc is still the horrible mobility and the lack of defensive that hurts mainly holy and not disc, while holy mana sustain looks really bad in M+ right now but im not sure if this will remain after we gear up.
Whatever said above does not neglect the fact that rdruid is still 10x more broken than any other healer inside M+ and that disc will always be top raiding for its damage reduction cooldown regardless of its output.
These 2 classes need to finally get AWAY from raiding and M+ meta.
We have 4 seasons of them dominating M+ and raiding, enough is enough.
I gave up on Holy being nothing but a meme spec after they reworked it. If I could pick a class/spec to be top for the rest of WoW, it would be a holy priest. But they rarely ever get good patches where we shine, and I genuinely think it’s down to them taking disc performing well in high end raids as a reason to not look at holy struggling for pretty much every aspect of WoW in comparison to the other healers.
Can you stop this trolling? It’s not funny and it’s defo not helping the situation. Dislike Disc all you want, but just stop flaming it on things that are blatantly not true.
Throughput can be easily tweaked. Design-wise, disc is in an incredibly satisfying position. Disc has a toolkit that is immensely useful regardless of where they end up on HPS. Holy is broken on a fundamental level, the very design of the class works against its performance.
Holy’s healing is punished for doing damage. If you’re not spamming heals, you’re not getting your strong heals back, so you’re discouraged from helping out on DPS.
Holy has no personal defensives aside from Desperate Prayer, which increases max and current health rather than providing damage reduction. This can occasionally save you in niche cases, but more often than not it will only slightly delay something inevitable if you find yourself in need of defensive measures.
Holy has no utility that makes them a more desirable choice than another healer. They can spec into a second raid-cooldown which makes them okay in raids, but still not prefered above disc (or other non-priest healers perhaps except MW) which has a huge amount of tools that is of great help to their group even if they’re severely undergeared. A big AoE dome of 20% damage reduction is massive no matter the circumstances.
Holy receives very few tools, they have nothing that makes them unique, they can’t DPS and still heal effectively, they struggle to keep smaller groups and tanks alive, and unless they can outheal other healers through sheer numbers there is literally never a reason to spec holy over disc for any part of the game as it stands now.
As has already been mentioned though, the result will probably be a nerf to disc, which is unfortunate. It would be a lot better to see holy being lifted to disc’s level. The problem isn’t with the numbers tuning at all, it’s simply a good toolkit vs a garbage toolkit.
Disc has no answers when people start taking avoidable damage.
While disc is deffo better everywhere, when dps/tanks go full zugzug mode holy can keep them alive but in the expense of damage.
Premade= Disc
Pug= Holy
Exactly, giving Holy a 30% damage reduction each time desperate prayer is used would make it amazing BUT, instead they gave it focused will and applies only to PVP and they think its a legit defensive.
Also both holy and disc should wave more than 40% speed on each feather because that current design makes holy+disc by far the slowest specs in game that dont even have a chance to clear roots and slows like all the other specs do.
In a few words:
Desperate prayer being a defensive, a way to remove roots/slows and more than 40% speed on feathers would make both the specs very good.
Yet, blizzard buffs Rdruid because its their favorite and has to ensure SL M+ domination as it did in BFA
Yes, indeed, you are quite delusional about Disc being bad because you haven’t seen good ones. By your logic, I could say Holy is not good because I have never encountered a good one in the game. Each and everyone I’ve seen spams Renew like they are Resto druid but if you actually spend any time learning Holy, you realize that’s pretty inefficient way of healing compared to their other spells.
We have external sites like warcraftlogs and we have streamers in higher world ranks playing Disc priests well. It doesn’t take long to find this out.
At this point, stubbornly believing a spec is bad because of what you have encountered in the game is outright stupid with how much actual information is going around.
Have you ever considered the people you are playing with are not great in general?
I have done mostly 18/19s on my holy pala and in a good group a tank will outheal you.
Because people are avoiding damage, interrupting and stunning. The tank is the one taking most of the unavoidable damage and thry have strong self heal.
I see, its sad when players develop a bias based on a very small amount of the player base playing some specs poorly.
On topic, it would be really good for holy to get some extra utility that groups for m+ actually really want. Having played both specs without a doubt disc is the stronger spec imo, at least with me playing it. the ability to still heal while damaging and the damage reduction CDs are too good to pass up, and the took kit is only getting better.
Holy did get some stuff but it still doesn’t bring it close and disc got some of that utility also.
Every other healer class has more utility that is wanted in m+ and holy doesn’t offer a clear advantage that disc doesn’t provide. I think chastise and GS is it, but other specs offer stuns and GS is GS.
According to Blizzard themselves, it’s on the forum.
However, they’ve not followed up very well on communication at all in that regard. I’d expect even less activity from them on the EU forum, since they’re neglecting their US feedback already.