THANK YOU COLDSHADE COMING IN WITH THE REAL TEA
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Because reasons.
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dont make fun of the dogman
Actual queen keep slaying <3
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I will never for the life of me understand why people have to go after LGBT, people and/or people that are asexual/celibate, et cetera et cetera. I myself have been looked at weirdly and even shunned in some cases cause ââwhoa, whatâs wrong with this guy, he doesnât care about sex?!ââ. My reasons are my own, and youâd be surprised how many people, even in civilized countries like in the west, people look down on pretty much anything that isnât a straight relationship with sex.
Like, out of all the things one can accomplish and do in their life, some decide to hate on someones sexual orientation/lifestyle.
Itâs saddening, really.
I bet most just do it cause theyâre sad they never had much girlfriends or boyfriends, if at all any, and then decide hate and spite is the only answer. Either that or theyâre just massive insecure dumbos that got upset cause they saw two guys holding hands or two women kissing.
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IMO Iâd not exactly say that homophobic characters arenât possible, because as with anything, youâre usually going to have a handful of people who think a different way.
However, like mentioned before, homophobia itself has not been explicitly mentioned (and I hope it stays that way or it gives ground for homophobic people to make such characters), so trying to justify your character with that reasoning IMO is also really telling of the player behind the screen.
In addition, another point that Iâd want to make is about a well-written gay character. Itâs especially grating in comments about TV shows/films, but still applicable in roleplay. There shouldnât really be a bar set for players to reach in order to write gay characters - stereotypes exist in real life and expecting every gay character you meet to be masterfully written is lowkey harmful in of itself.
Saying âthe homosexuality should not be the main focus of the characterâ has also started to really sound more like âI donât want to see homosexuality mentionedâ. Quite often I notice that a LGBTQ+ character is told to be shoving it in the faces or that itâs their main focus when thereâs only a mention of it somewhere. But a well written gay character isnât a character where their homosexuality isnât mentioned.
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While no doubt Homophobia occurs I do not believe that it is the same problem as IRL as I think it is more of the careless nature more than actual hate towards non-straight characters.
We pretty much have that issue when it comes to any type of RP with people being so self focused and selfish that they refuse to acknowledge that roleplay is communication between two parties so it comes off as rather bad.
Same goes with the overly racist characters or characters overly focused on sex that it just becomes a real bad personality instead of actually adding anything to the RP.
In the end I only speak about my own experience.
Out of all the concepts someone can potentially play in this game with its many races, classes and organizations, and then chooses to dislike/hate on someones orientation/lifestyle⊠eh, I think itâs pretty obvious what theyâre trying to do.
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Indeed, as I said in my second paragraph.
I suppose itâs just semantics, and even then by characters, I did not exactly mean player-made characters either, moreso the universe itself. I do not think Azeroth is an utopia where nobody has a problem with sexuality. I do think Azeroth can be much more open minded than real life though - supported by the lack of (explicit? though I havenât seen any implicit mentiones either) homophobia in game and hints at LGBTQ+ characters.
In truth, I think the only reason why we donât have explicitly LGBTQ+ characters in WoW are real life issues eg China or fear of people thinking ânyerghhh blizz is pandering/political/etceteraâ.
Iâll take my Tracer and Soldier 76 (even though I donât play Overwatch) and be happy with that representation at least, though. ((And seeing how much that kicked up a fuss, Iâm somewhat not surprised Blizz isnât wanting to make an explicitly LGBTQ+ character.))
There should. I detailed it before; but this does not relate to homophobia, more so people keeping an eye out for signs of cringe RP. I described before why I avoid engaging with certain LGBTQ+ characters or stereotypes. They fall into the same category as over-sexualized descriptions, or as the usual brooding antihero character (of which thereâs one every corner). It is the same bar you face with any archetype. And this avoidance in RP should not be confused with in-character abuse (for which thereâs no justification in the warcraft universe).
To be more precise, it isnât a bar set. But expect scrutiny associated. Similar to a dragon character; it can be well-writen, well-roleplayed but bad experience left people suspicious and this can be confused with homophobia.
Youâre speaking about sexuality and over-sexualization, itâs two different things. Iâm not speaking about fetishes, rather just how well written the characterâs sexuality is/character itself is. You speak about cringe RP and I ask what do you find as cringe?
Is a mention of the characterâs sexuality in their RP profile cringe? It shouldnât be.
A well written homosexual character is not a character where their homosexuality isnât / is rarely mentioned.
IMO youâre speaking of your experiences with fetishized characters written for ERP, and Iâm not really speaking of those.
Not everyone is a great writer, or great at characterisation. That doesnât mean theyâre not allowed to write gay characters, because some people think only multi-dimensional gay characters are allowed to exist. There shouldnât be a check-list of requirements for writing a gay character. IMO if you give it as much thought as you would to a straight character, itâs good enough.
I can understand why someone would be wary of someone mentioning theyâre gay IC or w/e because of the fetishized characters giving LGBTQ+ characters a bad reputation, but if youâre actively going to avoid anyone who make a mention out of it, youâre not really going to meet many well written gay characters anyway.
IMO what youâve experienced is just ERPers and those come from heterosexual characters as well. Somewhat unfair to compare the two, especially in this case where my point was moreso about the notion that âhomosexuality should not be the focus of the characterâ, because thatâs expecting any homosexual character to be written with multiple layers of depth and more. Itâs a common complaint Iâve seen from people critiquing any TV shows or films where a character exists and happens to be homosexual without offering much else, even though similar characters go without critique when theyâre heterosexual.
And similar complaints Iâve also often seen in topics of LGBTQ+ themes in roleplay, where people say the same things about RP characters.
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Quite true and most miss conception about being gay. Over-sexualization.
If itâs in âat glanceâ or in âcurrentlyâ, then thatâs definitely cringe. It means that you want others to straight-up know something about your character that they wouldnât see / notice at a glance. A characteristic they could find out IC. Why do you want others to know this, specifically?
Once again, this rule-of-thumb applies to all characters. I avoid badly written ones, because a badly written TRP / At glance section / profile is a great hint about cringy roleplay that Iâd rather not engage in. Pushing your characterâs sexual orientation up front is a tell-tale sign. Suffice to say itâs mostly seen in the âbutch lesbian draeneiâ archetype that may optionally include the godforsaken equine details. But it doesnât have to be included; the very initial is enough to scare away RP. If I see a âbutch lesbian draeneiâ roleplayer, even if the TRP is well-written and itâs only referenced slight at glance, Iâll have a baseline fear that the player will try to romance my character which Iâd rather not.
How do you include sexual orientation in your profile without it feeling repulsive to those that seek serious / non-romantic RP?
Again, the opposite. If a character only showcases this / references this IC, but has no track of it in their TRP, thatâs all fine and very cool actually. Or if itâs only included in the background.
Exactly. But showcasing sexual orientation in TRP, especially in the more forefront surfaces, highlights to another that you are âcloserâ to that side of roleplay, or at least closer to showcasing relevant characteristics / tendencies. Which will draw avoidance from all those who would normally interact with you but wish to evade ERPers and relevant cringe.
In turn; omitting the description or leaving only a tingle of background reference can lead up to an in-character reveal or finding out. Which is always much better - and not only for homosexual characters. Finding out that a character is homosexual is as much of a âbondingâ or âfriendshipâ level as is finding out they are widowed or that they had lost a brother in the past, or that they have a beloved.
Yeah, kind of. Why would someone know that information IC just from a glance?
This goes for every sexuality, though - ie. you shoudnât put âheterosexualâ there either because like why would you
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I mean, weâre speaking in more broader terms here, you can bring out nuanced situations all you want. A TRP also isnât telling of how well written a character is. I find it unnecessary to put for example âis gayâ in both of those areas, but TRP has an actual âSexuality:â spot. Defining their sexuality there should not inherently mean someone wants to bang, itâs informative like wikipedia sheets or w/e.
Thatâs fair enough - not wishing to engage in RP with a badly written character. People are new and make mistakes. Itâs still not exactly something I mean with a well written gay character though, especially when weâre speaking about RP profiles, not RP characters.
Iâm not sure how these are related - one is an OOC mention and the other is IC reveal. If you want to dissect specific TRP profiles, feel free to give an example but I wouldnât conflate LGBTQ+ character profiles with ERP profiles.
I personally just view the main area of TRP profiles like wikipedia bulletpoint information - you wouldnât know someoneâs name either from just a glance, but youâre still putting that information out there, right? Perhaps itâs just a small pet peeve of mine, the connotation that mentions of sexuality mean someone is an ERPer.
Iâd rather ask why you find it repulsive. I hope this is not some kind of âgay panicâ territory weâre treading - if someone makes a move on you and youâre not up for it, just say⊠no?
Iâm pretty sure you can also mention explicitly youâre not into romance RP (isnât that an option in a TRP profile?). Ace/aro are also all valid sexual orientations. Why is the mention of someoneâs sexual orientation repulsive?
And still - Iâm not really speaking about TRP profiles anyway, rather characters. A well written character does not only live in your TRP profile.
Eh what? I think you might be equating two drastically different things there.
Finding out theyâre homosexual is as much a âbondingâ or âfreindshipâ level as finding out theyâre heterosexual, not that theyâve previously lost a family member.
Iâd also ask what really constitutes a âmentionâ of sexuality in a profile. Do you mean that itâs explicitly spelled out, or that theyâve got something like âCurrently: Thinking about my wifeâ? Or a mention of a romantic partner in their history stuff? Because thatâs a mention. If my male characterâs backstory just includes his husband, is that cringe?
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Suppose I have love the undead, orc, tauren, Draenai or whaever in-human beasts there exist on the Scarlet not to be called a racist and potentially ruin someones feelingsâŠ
Keep ooc, ooc. Some rp will be rascist/homophobic because that is what that kind of rp will cause.
People are allowed to rp whatever gender thing they decide to, fine. Are we telling them to stop ooc? no. Do we aprove ic? Depends on the character. If someone rps a noble from a feudal house where, mind you, that blood and sex is everything, they might bat an eye if their son is to men or trees, or whatever your hearth might desire.
Respect peoples opinions/desires ooc, ic, I barely give a damn.
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âŠwhat? Just⊠what?
Donât out us, honey.
IDK I favour pretty lightweight information. Name is useful for emoting ie. itâs easier to emote at [name] and helps you see who is saying what. Itâs a necessary OOC mechanic
I think if someone specifically puts âsexuality: heterosexualâ I find that weird that they had to let me know that OOC + wonder who asked
If they have a story that mentions their spouse thatâs cool / a more appropriate place for it because I think thereâs a distinction between the basic physical attributes front page and the bit you can write a more elaborate story. Maybe itâs just preference but itâs like lust bars - not every dude with a lust bar is an ERPer but if a guy has to tell me âugh bro I love women so much oh my daysâ right next to his eye colour + his hair length Iâm thinking thatâs cringe
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