Homophobia in rp needs to cease

[Starshaed-turalyon]

Remember those halcyon days of 15 minutes ago where Irelia proudly mentioned following a blog that has dropped dox on people, something which puts their actual lives in danger, because that blog tried to tokenise the LGBT members of a community they desperately want to pretend is hateful

[Obahar-argent-dawn]

@Ventheas-argent-dawn

It simply doesn’t happen in RP, but sure, you had a thread – and now a second one – and it again reinforces what absolutely 100% of the posters here said: that it’s a bad thing. And that it doesn’t happen.

It did, and does. Somebody literally posted an image of a fairly well-known roleplayer posting the f-slur in a public event in /s, and he was heavily reprimanded for it.

[Ventheas-argent-dawn]

@Nerathion-argent-dawn

whats this weird backtracking you’re doing now, when it has been said previously that this actually has happened, hence why the entire thread was made in the first place

I invite you to check my post history. This was always my stance you dimwit.

[Loras-argent-dawn]

@Ventheas-argent-dawn

It simply doesn’t happen in RP

Except that it does.

@Ventheas-argent-dawn

100% of the posters here said: that it’s a bad thing

I have seen a number of posters who have argued to the contrary – and that isn’t including you/Amdusias/Teemo.

[Telaryn-argent-dawn (Telaryn)]

@Ventheas-argent-dawn

Yeah, and it wasn’t even IC. There was an attempt at a conversation about the blood elf pop or w/e and that was instantly shut down with 5-10 people attacking the character not the argument.

No, the argument was debunked pretty swiftly but your guildie got very angry about it and dismissing everything that proved her to be objectively in the wrong with some weird thought police arguments.

To re-iterate in the name of good faith before the clowning continues:

The lead writer of World of Warcraft said on record that homophobia and other sexuality-based discrimination does not exist in this setting. This debunks any IC arguments in favour of it because ruling came from the top down that it does not exist, period. Headcanon about surviving genocide turning blood elves into homophobes are objectively invalid.

The game rules state that homophobia is not allowed what so ever, debunking any OOC reasons for importing it into the game. The CMs have said repeatedly over the course of the many drama posts on Argent Dawn over the years that RP interactions fall under the purview of the ToS; swearing and doing graphic acts, as well as ERP are bannable offenses and people have been both banned and muted for them time and time again despite it being “just IC bro”.

In light of this, any homophobia anyone does in-game is specifically intentional on the player’s part. It breaks the rules of the setting and the terms of service of the game. Your guildie (and the classic clown) were asked repeatedly to stop doing this, only to be told that we can’t tell them what to do. The 5 mile deep hole you dug aggressively defending homophobia in the setting despite numerous cases proving you wrong is what paints you in bad light.

In short: You played yourself. All you had to do was say “Yes, homophobia is bad. It does not belong in this setting.”

That’s it.

[Ventheas-argent-dawn]

@Loras-argent-dawn

I have seen a number of posters who have argued to the contrary – and that isn’t including you/Amdusias/Teemo.

I’ve never argued the contrary, do not assume that.

I argued that IC is IC and OOC is OOC.

But even arguing that stirred this wasp hive and the slanderous remarks.

[Nerathion-argent-dawn (Nerathion)]

you haven’t said that ‘homophobia doesn’t happen at all in RP’ since if that was your stance to begin with we wouldn’t be arguing about semantics for the second day in a row about random stuff

like literally your previous post says otherwise

[Obahar-argent-dawn]

@Ventheas-argent-dawn

I argued that IC is IC and OOC is OOC.

@Homophobia in roleplay needs to cease Argent Dawn

“Well it’s still just in-character, and it’s not my fault if somebody takes in-character remarks out-of-character.”

While usually this is a sentiment I fully stand behind, in this instance I simply cannot. There are people who play this game who roleplay LGBT+ characters because they, in real life, relate to that sexuality or perhaps are that sexuality entirely. There are many places in the world that do not accept people for their sexuality, who would see them belittled, harassed, assaulted, or even killed. Consider the possibility that such people only have Warcraft as a means of expressing who they really are, and then consider how your character’s actions, using slurs, stigma, and negativity could affect the person on the other side of the screen.

Debunked in ten characters or more.

[Loras-argent-dawn]

@Ventheas-argent-dawn

I’ve never argued the contrary, do not assume that.

I just said that wasn’t including you please don’t deflect

[Arano-argent-dawn]

@Starshaed-turalyon

Remember those halcyon days of 15 minutes ago where Irelia proudly mentioned following a blog that has dropped dox on people, something which puts their actual lives in danger, because that blog tried to tokenise the LGBT members of a community they desperately want to pretend is hateful

I give Irelia 6/10
The landing was fumbled and everybody cringed.

But impressive mental gymnastics nonetheless

[Aeílmar-argent-dawn (Aeílmar)]

Jesus Christ, how dense one has to be to realise that

if you dont see its happening on a daily basis = it doesnt happen at all

AND THEN proceed to argue that his friends are misunderstood jokers, cause forums are too mean like wtf

[Loras-argent-dawn]

Is AD down for any of you guys btw? Got disconnected and it’s not letting me back on.

[Ïrelia-argent-dawn]

I see you catching a lot of flack when I scan the forums.

But at least you can be civil.

These people cannot and they haven’t been since the debate started. They are simply incapable. As evident by the size of this threat. It is a shame they lack any dignity and insist on looking like fools but… shrug

I can only bow out and let them pity themselves on their own.

I don’t intend to be lectured about morals by an immoral, deranged mob.

Thanks for being one voice of sanity. Have a good night.

[Obahar-argent-dawn]

Same for me, my friend. Same for me.

[Loras-argent-dawn]

Ah it’s back, phew.

[Ventheas-argent-dawn]

@Telaryn-argent-dawn

In short: You played yourself. All you had to do was say “Yes, homophobia is bad. It does not belong in this setting.”

No, I’m careful with what I say.

Homophobia is obviously bad, and obviously a villainous trait. I don’t have it and never will.

Here’s the nuance no one seems to catch: the ToS as they currently are didn’t explicitly address this amongst other villainous traits.

But thanks to your spam of “danuser said danuser said danuser said” now everyone knows this.

[Nerathion-argent-dawn (Nerathion)]

see you in 10 minutes when you decide to re-emerge because you can’t stop the cope

bonus points if you say ‘oh no i didn’t actually want to come ventheas just told me they’re talking about me again!!!’

[Vaxir-argent-dawn (Vaxir)]

Right or wrong, people should be civil. We’re all humans entitled to opinions and have lives behind the screen. People need to remember that words can hurt.

But yes, do yourself a favour and put statcounter on your tumblr page. There’s a guide on how to set it up. That way you can try pinpoint any pathetic hate on there.

[Obahar-argent-dawn]

@Ïrelia-argent-dawn

These people cannot and they haven’t been since the debate started. They are simply incapable. As evident by the size of this threat. It is a shame they lack any dignity and insist on looking like fools but… shrug

I will not apologise for these false allegations of undignified behaviour and lacklustre wit when you won’t apologise for your persistant advocation of an archaic real-world belief in the world of fantasy.

Now please stay true to your word and stay out of this thread, and if you can bring Ventheas with you, it would be greatly appreciated.

[Tehya-wildhammer]

@Ventheas-argent-dawn

the ToS as they currently are

definitely do mention discrimination based on sexuality LOL what are you on