Horde & Alliance stronger together?

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In the storytelling (lore if you will) we are getting explained how Horde & Alliance have to put the battle between them to the side and join forces to overcome a greater evil.

How about you show us this in-game in the form of being able to actually join forces in PvE content. such as dungeons and raid scenarios. As of now when you search for people in the dungeon/raid finder you are actually only looking at half of the potential playerbase.(half is not accurate due to horde/alliance dominant realms, but you get my point).

I myself only focus on the PvE aspect of the game. I play on a horde dominant realm. with wm off and I can easily play a entire week without even seeing a player from the opposing faction.

In the early years of World of Warcraft faction identity needed to be a thing and the war between the sides was a big matter. But as the expansions are rolling this war is just a weak memory and not a present issue.

I strongly suggest the right direction to go is to implement cross faction dungeon and raid!

I am well aware of making this happen will upset alot of the playerbase, but if you are able to see the greater picture, World of Warcraft is no longer about wich faction you choose, and thus it should not be such a weighty choice if you roll dwarf or blood elf!

TL:DR - Let us play together, let us pick players from the entire community and not slice the playerbase in half. It is about time Red and Blue join forces!

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No there is no reason for the to let us join forces with enemy faction and blizzard is aware that if they remove the faction barrier then more people will leave wow if we are being forced into being friendly with the enemy faction than it be people who would have joined so luckily that will never happen

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What enemy? We are not in war atm. We constantly fight against a common enemy already (raid bosses, dungeon bosses, open world mobs, 
).

The only content where war matters we can already play as the lesser populated side in the form of a mercenary.

The factions are a shim of what they once were. There is in the current state little reason to not allow cross faction grouping for at least certain end-game content.

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WoW faction dynamic in a nutshell:

start of expansion :rage: :fire: :rage:
End of expansion :kissing_heart: :sparkling_heart: :relaxed:

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Yes we are still at war with the alliance

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On paper. Practically we don’t notice anything of it. We’re in the most peaceful state we have ever been, imo.

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There is because the question gets more important by the day. To the point it has been asked in BlizzCon.

I can tell you never played an Alliance character at high level.

Initially due to terrible racial balance, many big guilds transferred to Horde and overtime many people followed because that’s where there’s a BIG playerpool to recruit.

Hall of Fame ? Top first 100 guilds killing the last boss, 0 Alliance guilds, they managed to get a bit on the board months later after Horde, due to lack of playerbase.

It’s got so bad that on EU there’s only 2 decently populated servers for Alliance:
Silvermoon and Argent Dawn (RP server). Everything else is Horde, similar issue in the US.

In the LFG tool, there’s a lack of groups, from M+ keys to simple legacy raid groups for transmog runs. Compare with the Horde, the difference is massive and that’s why Horde keeps siphoning players.

Also, I’m going to burst your bubble because if you followed the topic, Blizzard went from a straight « nope » to « it’s a hot topic we discuss daily to find a solution ».

Faction pride/identity is an excuse and BS, the lines have been blurred ages ago and faction war is so dull and recycled that you can see how popular it was in BFA.

Very few people care but many people are affected by the faction imbalance. Which group do you think is more important for the company ?

The few who would leave if faction barrier is lifted in PvE, as it is in PvP with mercenary mode, would be better off playing Classic. There’s 0 point in faction now that the playerbase is soon on one side only and the number of players far inferior than WotLK era.

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The alliance feels like the horde and alliance are stronger together. Meanwhile the horde knows they’re just carrying the alliance.

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considering there are still hostile zones fro each factions that impliew itself that there is not peace as if it was they would be either friendly or atleast nuetral and there is still obvious hatted between the two faction both for players and npc point of view

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No it isnt and the only important thing with it is that blizzard dont screw it up by killing the game by removing the faction barrier as that would kill the game not help it. Clearly you cant tell it then as i have played alliance on a high lvl so dont talk sh** by accusing me of not having done things when i have done it. While its true i have never mained alliance as there is nothing that draws me to that faction as i find both theyre races, leaders and culture unfitting to me as a person. The racial is not a problem and you know it so stop trying to blame racials as thats all you alliance players do when you cant come up with a real reason. No you didnt burst my bubble as it is still a big NO as if you had payed attention you notice that its usually the same people reposting the same topic when theyre topic gets closed down. No faction pride is not bs clearly you never played horde if thats what you think. Correction its not a few that would leave if they removed faction barrier its be a masssive drop if they dropped factions

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Oh please, Non-WM shards are much more filled than WM shards. That on its own should be an indication that half of the playerbase don’t give a cracker about the non-existing current faction war.

Either they reignite the faction-spark or make cross-faction play available. This inbetween zone is much worse.

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I think it’s heading the way of removing the divide.

Each expansion draws the Horde and Alliance closer together. Yes at the start of BfA it was Horde against Alliance, but then Sylvanas betrayed them. It’s clear that Blizzard is keen to show the bigger picture here, that there are more serious things at play than the Horde and Alliance fighting for territory and political dominance.

Whilst I agree the concept shouldn’t be removed entirely, there should be the option for players who want to group with Horde or Alliance for dungeons etc. It felt cool when I first started playing to engage in war against the Horde, but now in all honesty the concept feels a little redundant, considering each expansion we’re fighting a big bad and not each other. Hell, we have real ID now, where we can add people from opposing factions, it literally just doesn’t have the same feel to it anymore. We even have the Elixir of Tongues where you can speak to the opposing faction freely.

I say we should be able to group up cross faction for group content. Those who don’t like siding with the opposite faction simply don’t have to do it. Keep the capital cities as “enemy territory” absolutely.

I think the majority are starting to care less and less about the divide. Look at the end of BfA when Shadowlands was about to be released, and so many guilds on Horde were going to move over to Alliance because Dwarves would be able to cleanse one of the debuff’s in Castle Nathria. Didn’t appear like those people cared about being Horde or Alliance then, did they? They cared more about being effective in completing end-game content. If the Alliance all had amazing racial abilities that made raiding easier - you’d see loads of horde players switch to alliance, and vice-versa.

I believe they will NEVER remove the barrier, as it’s one of the core principles of the game. We have the Horde and we have the Alliance. But I do think they are considering the possibility of allowing the factions to integrate together more freely for group content.

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It seems pretty clear they do not want to remove the faction barrier. You may see a merc mode for PvE. That is just my interpretation based on what Ion has said in interviews so far.

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Only people who are so called enemies against each other are the pvp folk and even them large portion are the faction “loyalists” who on horde side sneak in discuise to our side to play because boohoo without traitor mode their queue times would be long which I say remove that bs mode and suck it up or switch sides.

Factions in lore have not made sense since wotlk when Alliance and Horde joined forces against Arthas.

And we have joined forces many times after that because for some reason horde chooses their warchief from the genocidal maniac bag and we have to come help to clean up the mess.

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I have to agree that Horde and Alliance is becoming more redundant. NEVER remove the device, no. But if I could join the Alliance in doing dungeons I’d absolutely do so. Very few people care about faction identity now-a-days. The majority care more about being effective during end-game content. There is no covenant identity - because you see players picking the covenant that gives the most damage, rather than where they believe their class, race or faction belong.

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its far more than half that cares about it than its not the only ones who dont like faction war is some of the allinace players that cry when they want warmode boost rep/xp and blood elf (who lets face it are alliance players on their alts) so faction war do exist for sure. And like i mentioned early we already know cross faction wont come as blizzard themself are aware that if they did that they would kill off their own game

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Horde and Alliance is indeed stronger together, and here’s my take on this:

Honourable and peaceseeking Horde members are merging with the Alliance after the conclusion of Shadowlands. This means that all Horde races becomes Alliance members - and the Alliance now consists of all races.

“Are WoW becoming a 1 faction game now?” I hear you say. And no, it is not. A new faction is becoming a faction for warmongering edgelords and everyone who wants Garrosh Hellscream/Sylvanas/Old Gods/destruction of everything. And which faction is that? The Twilights!

The Twilight as we already know consists of people from all races, which have infiltrated both the Horde and the Alliance for recruiting more members. And they happens to reach out to you and you get the options:

  • Slay the recruiter and confirm your loyalty to the new Alliance
  • Accept the invitation and undergo a quest line introducing you to the Twilight faction.

The Twilight’s new bases will become available, some smaller, some bigger, and even a couple well hidden cities. And the main objective is to infiltrate and do as much destruction to the New Alliance as possible, using the traditional means of the Twilight.

And no, it wont remove PvP.

Addition:

New characters will not “pick” their new faction at the character creation screen, instead only race and class will be pickable among with the usual customisation. And they get the usual choice of starting at their racial starting area, or at Exile’s reach. It is upon completion of either areas the players gets approached by a Twilight recruiter, and the choice is made then.

Now about faction switch - which could become available in a “free” version:

From New Alliance to Twilight: You speak with an recruiter in Stormwind/Orgrimmar and turn in the recruit quest at another NPC outside New Alliance territory. Doing so will make you hated with every reputation subfaction within the New Alliance, and you start at Hated with the Twilights. Better standing and acceptance within your new faction is build up during a lengthy quest line.

From the Twilight to New Alliance: You submit yourself to a specific New Alliance guardian which will imprison you in the Stockades/Tol Dagor/Orgrimmar/somewhere. Doing do will make you Hated with the Twilights and you start at Hated with the New Alliance. As a prisoner you start on a lengthy quest chain proving yourself worthy of being rehabilitated and later released once a certain reputation is reached.

Changing faction back to the former one wont restore the former subfaction reputations, all have to be earned anew.

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I have not been feeling closer to the alliance in a single expansion and i been playing since vanilla if anything in the expansion i only been feeling disgusted in all the expansion where they forced us to share the same main are city/class hall for quests and progression. No the majority cares about the divide for sure

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No its not just the pvp folks who care about the factions as i mainly play it for the story in the expansion but obviously i still have pvp mode on as it the right thing. Its not only the loyalist who cares as iam not a loyalist and never liked sylvanas even before she was thrown out. Yes faction lore have always made sense and yes sadly we joined forces against our will a few times and dont talk sh** cause you know full well the alliance is to blame for the mess

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no the majority does care