1-2hr queue times for AB just to 5cap Alliance and the game ends in 8-10min, WSG have lower queue times but it aint PvP anymore.
Once people hit Exalted with Defilers and Warsong first 2weeks no one is playing them.
I still queue WSG and AB while going out in the world to find some PvP action and from experience, forcing turtles in AV is the only action you can get in Fresh.
I only queue WSG with a mage or druid friend and all we do is capture flag and practice jumps for wargames, that’s about it. And Alliance have some good players doing the exact samething.
As an edit, and yes its Blizzards fault and not the players. The first misstake they did was force people to play AV and Rank 14 is basically free if you have 3-4hrs aday to spam queue AV so all the raiders can get BiS gear that they wont replace until Naxx if even then.
The quickest soloution would be to implement the SoD changes for mark turn ins in WSG and AB so there is another option for ranking. Even PvPers have to play AV only on there alts if they wish to Rank, because the queue times for WSG and AB are way to slow and you cant even play 4+ premade anymore due to queue times. Like if you queue more then 4 people the queue time will be double or tripple of the current one.
I can argue that those afking up north do less for the win, than those killing alliance on their way south.
They literally do NOTHING while waiting, atleast cap the towers for more honor and less marshals to worry about. There is literally NO downside to capping the towers.
Its ironic actually, so many people cry about maximizing honor/hr, but they refuse to get all the lt’s, refuse to get towers. “Everyone” just follows the masses, then cries when it doesnt go like they planned in their head. Just straight up refusing to do anything themselves:)
Then you are in no position to cry about anyone else:) Atleast most of them fight, while you do what you do best i guess. If you cant afk up north, you go afk somewhere else.
But hey, you play the way you want, and ill play the way i want
If they went north in time there would/could be a fast(er) win (or loss, who cares?). But leaving 10 ppl north who can’t at all kill the boss - I don’t see the purpose.
Yeah, they follow the masses who love zerging in the mid.
Yeah, they “fight”, but what for? Most of the time we lose these stupid turtle games and they take a useless amount of time. I don’t find fun in killing/getting killed over and over in the mid for NO GOAL.
Glad i just hit R14 this reset, AV was getting worse and worse with every passing week, , those ppl are greedy players farming more honor hoping that rest of the raid will complete objectives and the bg ends in less than 10 mins, the problem is when you get to drek with only 15 people and have to deal with enemy players sitting in drek’s room, once you wipe then the great turtle starts
You make it sound like the majority go middle to turtle, thats not the case, atleast not in the games ive been in. But you can still take towers though, it beats actually just afking up north.
My point is that, even when you cant do the boss, you just refuse to do anything else that can contribute. Its either kill vann with a kiter, or just give up.
Do they need a spesific reason? maybe they think its fun, not everyone plays bgs to maximize honor/hr. Some just find it chilling, people are different, the sooner you realize that maybe the sooner you can get that entitlement out of your system.
If av bothers you so much, then stop playing it, stop going for the weapon or w/e you aiming for. Get second bis, i doubt you are a min-maxer anyway.
Tell me you are a pve-player, without telling me you are a pve-player…
If you only wanna do pve, then thats completely fine, but dont enter a bg then hoping for some pve-action.
That’s what I do. Again I pull Lts or help their kiters, I always do the necessary things. And when I end up north, towers are taken, GYs are safe, everything ready for attack on Van and still noone mid seems to be in the mood of finishing the game after several calls, yeah, then I use my trinket.
I agree. But then you will have to admit that it’s the same fine when I fish or tame wolves. Bc maybe I think it’s fun.
AV doesn’t bother me that much. There have been games which I really enjoyed. And with my lock I queue for AB/WSG since I am done with ranking.
My mage will do AV for ranking and leveling till I am 60. I’d prefer to do both in the other BGs but it won’t work.
And yes, I’m not a minmaxer. Before I’d feel like “I have to” I’d rather stop playing.
I stopped PvE completely almost two years ago. Apart from earning money with professions and doing left over quests fir gold.
AV has never been a proper PvP thingie. By all means I wished I could do AB and WSG every day. But bc of the stupid honor system they don’t even pop for my lower levels. So I can only rank/level in AV. At 60 it’s getting a tiny little bit better with the other BGs but not satisfying.
They killed AV in SoD with that changed mark of honor system, i guess they won’t do that again. They got overwhelmed with complaints from ppl who couldn’t get their rep anymore from AV.
There’s classes who get their BiS items from the rep you gain with AV. For Blizzard to kill off AV would be contradicting themselves in their own game setup. Why else would they put that gear for rep in the game?
And either way, ppl will complain one way or the other, kill AV in favor of WSG/AB will only turn those BGs into other ways to gain honor fast. Those ppl just don’t know how to play those 2 bgs. Once the change in SoD happened everyone moved to WSG/AB and the result was horrible.
I wouldn’t be opposed to deleting it, Blizzard has not considered it pvp viable for over 15 years, but better would probably be to keep it but no rewards for it. Adding Battle for Gilneas & Silvershard Mines (maybe Twin Peaks too) would be excellent additions to classic (They are all set in classic azeroth). Rings & Trinkets are very lacking or non existant from pvp.
Thats great, but i think both you and i can agree that you are in the minority when it comes to this kinda help. The majority, atleast of those who rush north, sit afk at their base waiting for someone else to kite/pull/start.
Thats perfectly fine.
Yes, i never said anything against that. My only “problem” was that people want others to do what THEY want, and get mad when they dont wanna do as they are told.
Then i was mistaken, i am sorry. I interpreted your comment as you dont like pvping.
Ill agree that the current honor system/bg system needs some love/work. But i doubt its gonna happen, nor do i “care” that much anymore since im done ranking.
Just buff bosses to actually hit like trucks, and marshals un-kiteable. Force people to do the objects, could make the game fun.
Av was deleted because AB gave ALOT more honor than av. Blizzard should have just buffed for greater honor instead. Making all 3 bgs relevant.
So, instead of contributing to the game (i.e taking towers atleast), they rather just afk?
This is the mentality that annoys me, they cry about mid-zergers not contributing/rushing north with them. But they dont want to do anything to ease the game themselves.
Only the rushers think its a waste of time, the zergers think its fun so for them its not a waste of time (otherwise they wouldnt do it) .
Why ? There already are multiple raids out there, why make a BG into a pve dungeon?
Make objects matter, like in the other bgs.
Who knows, i dont mind making pvp items bis for pvp and vice-versa in pve (this way the pve’ers wouldnt enter a bg).
I think “forcing” people into something they dont like is bad design.
It is a good design. Blizzard does it all the time. It’s delusional to think that they just accidentally made AV work this way. When people do the same thing (raiding), they’ll bore out and ubsubscribe. When people do different activities, even if forced, they don’t bore out. People might not like it, but that’s the way things are. You gotta be forced to step out of your comfort bubble.
Premade ranking is much better way to get people out of their comfort zone. You actually learn pvp and you learn social skills beyond not speaking to avoid being mass reported. AV ranking encourages sociopathic/selfish behaviour like afking/botting & pvping is actually straight up griefing your team.
AV/pug ranking is LFR vs LFR, if you ever had the misfortune of trying that god forsaken mode.
It’s delusional to think AV was created with any more rationale than the devs at the time thought it was cool, the BG has been neglected for 15 years, the devs will never try to make it viable for the actual pvp mode (rated battlegrounds)
