So I did some Horrific Vision and failed on Thrall 20% after succeeding 2 extra objectives (Garona and Vekhan).
That being said to win a piece of equipment and get the quest item to increase the rank of the cape, you need only to kill Thrall.
I am quite conservative of saying that player going into this content are on average over 430 ilevel.
The results are the following:
To get an ilevel upgrade (445), I need to do a full clear
To get a rank upgrade for my cape, I need to kill Thrall
The importance of upgrading the cape for corruption resistance and flat corruption diminution is too important. Indeed, you need it to be able to wear the broken infinite stars and echoing void corruption traits.
So, it is better to chain kill Thrall and upgrade your talent tree until you are fairly confident to do a full clear.
In the end, it is a shame as the content proposed is great but the best strategy is not doing it extensively. Doing Thrall only, to max out the weekly cap of cape rank seems the best. You will end saving Vessels for later 15+ upgrade which will give you an edge.
Exactly this with the heavy restrictions and time gating involved it is not worth the risk of going for more objectives unless you are 100% sure you can still kill thrall.
So far I have only done intro and two runs with 2 straight to thrall and 3rd run going for one objective and thrall to test my limits.
Defo can not even go for a second objective with a rank 3 cloak. Would get them done but not kill thrall. Not solo anyway.
I might try two objectives solo in next few runs maybe but as you say it’s not worth it especially with catch up mechanics always kicking in.
The best strategy is full clear and not fail… Also because of the weekly capped cloak upgrades, you can safely fail some keys., without getting behind too much.
I would suggest you to watch the latest video on Youtube from Kelani on that matter. You will see that by saving the vessel and going only for Thrall you can safely upgrade you cape until week 6. There you’ll get overcapped on CV and Vessels (6.5 vessels where you can only hold 5).
That is the sweet spot to test extra objectives safely.
For now, I’ll go for Thrall only and catch up next week my delay (only rank 4). Then I will go for full save and will probably got 5 vessels on Week 14 to get full 5 runs and upgrade 15+ ranks easily.
What tweaks are you talking about? It’s freaking easy, players already clearing a hard + a medium zone in one run, and we don’t even have access to mythic level gear. (Also not too much corrupted gear, few memento upgrades, no third minor, etc… ). On the next week probably the best players will fully clear it.
However this will put you behind on corrupted momentos and the titan research talents which are a great part in completing the visions later on. It all depends on your class and ilvl but completing at least one side boss and than at cloak 4 two bosses is very much worth it.
ilvl upgrades are not that important here though. As you stated yourself infinite stars and echoing void are broken so it’s absolutely worth it to go for a two side boss clear early on to increase your chances of getting one of those.
That might give you an advantage when it comes to your cloak but it might put you behind in your corrupted items. A high rank cloak is not that much valuable if you don’t have the right corruptions to pair it up with.
Next week (Stormwind) I’ll probably do a medium area just because I don’t know the stormwind route all that well (If its been nerfed since PTR I might do Old Town + Trade District). After that I’ll save as many keys as I’m able to, in order to complete later quests which require multiple runs.
No you can’t. You don’t have infinite vessels and you need 10k visions to buy one vessel. Since you get like 20 visions from greater objectives in the assaults farming them would be insane. So it is effectively capped how many times you can do them per week.
This accounts for the first week though. I guess after some weeks you will be able to do more than you need for you cloak upgrade, but i can’t tell for sure.
Week 1 was capped at cloak rank 6. Every week after that is capped at 1 cloak upgrade per week (With catchup to whatever cloak level everyone else is at). So this week we could get 6, but next week we can only get 7 (And will have 3-4 vessels of keys left over).
Those who want to “really” min max are going to save every vessel they can which doesn’t award a cloak level, so they can dump them all at once when we get to a point where we need multiple runs to upgrade the cloak. (Around 10-11 or so. Idr). But that’s super min maxy and not relevant to a vast vast majority of the playerbase, so after first week you’ll have at least 1-2 runs that you can just explore.
Also wanna add as far as doing daily quests etc. You really don’t have to, even to get 3 vessels a week.
10k from first invasion.
5.5k from split invasion. 2x a week.
2k from first mini vision. 1k from all after that x6
That’s 29000/30000 without doing a daily quest that isn’t the vision. There’s 1000 from the 3 weekly caches which require 6 keys to open and that’s just killing mobs for a couple minutes, if you did every event and daily quest on top of that (+ some rares you saw on your ‘adventures’) you’d get an extra idk? 500 a day?
That’s one more run every 3 weeks, which when you already get 3 runs a week by doing comparatively nothing, isn’t worth. The dailies + events are much more for rep.
I do not know I went to risk and full (that means ALL mobs, not just bosses) clear of 3 rooms - 2 extra nosses+thrall, Unlocked talents on archive in 3rd row, which means next time I go I have even more easier progression.
But next reset probably need to do a cautious pull 1st to learn the area.
I am not too stressed over cloak levels. I am not from Method.
As I understand, this week just kill Thrall. There is no point doing gear stuff, if you are going to get items below 445, because after next reset, we get +30 ilvl boost to all items. M0 will start dropping gear 430 and world quests up to 445.
Indeed, I did not see it that way. I probably was too strict. Anyway, I failed doing to objectives due to sanity with 4 points tech (1 orb, 15% dmg increase). So I should wait for the free death on that row before going 2 objectives agian.
But anyway to get a loot, you still need to kill Thrall, so exploring is good as long as you can safely kill Thrall at the end.
I cleared spirits + wisdom this week, could have probably done the drag too but played it safe (Had 500 sanity + an orb left before thrall). We’ll have heroic nyalotha gear, and a 3rd minor essence, as well as whatever we did from mythic plus. People were full clearing with ease as 5man groups as early as rank 3 cloak this week, can’t see soloing at rank 8 as much of a challenge.