How about some non-combat classes?

[Axram-ravencrest]

@Tahen-pozzo-delleternità

Not going to work in any form.
You can’t have a non combat class, it wouldn’t be able to do anyting solo or even farm and having a simple pg vendor will only kill the economy.

Neither the famous “bard” support class many talks about can really work. It must have combat capabilities on it’s own to do the solo bits of the content, and as a support class, it would either be useless, or mandatory, creating even more problems to raid and group comps.

you could give them pitch forks like farmers

problem solved

Stab, slash, Cry for help

easy combat

[Retributor-draenor (Retributor)]

paying people pennies to do manual labour…that will get blizzard into lawsuits as well (theres a min wage law in most countries)

[Retributor-draenor (Retributor)]

lets just agree that non combat classes are a meme in wow universe. it might work in skyrim with followers doing the killing, but not in wow. (we already have pet classes)

[Splatterpunk-tarren-mill]

And wat you gonna do with all the gold you take from players? Buy some comsetics?
Hand Of Farmaros?
The Goldbringer?
The Farmaggedon?

[Retributor-draenor (Retributor)]

@Splatterpunk-tarren-mill

Hand Of Farmaros?

NOT THE FARMAROS XDDDDD

[Axram-ravencrest]

Farmourne

@Splatterpunk-tarren-mill

And wat you gonna do with all the gold you take from players? Buy some comsetics?
Hand Of Farmaros?
The Goldbringer?
The Farmaggedon?

[anon20309957]

We already have a few unofficial non-combat classes. They are Druid multiboxing gatherers, AH bots and boost spammers.

[Kulgrath-chamber-of-aspects (Kulgrath)]

This game just doesn’t have the depth for that kind of thing.

It is primarily focused on combat, and almost everything that isn’t combat is done to enhance it. Yes, there are mini-games like pet battles but they have nothing to do with classes, and neither do events.

Given that it makes no sense at all to use up resources on such an idea-- it would be a complete waste, as it would add so little and so few would use it outside of just a small distraction.

[Starney-argent-dawn]

I would love that. Especially if you can customize your civilian.

[Starla-aerie-peak]

I like the idea of having regular chill stuff to do in towns and cities.

I think it might be nice to develop some new stories with town/city npcs using interesting questlines depending on your character race/interests/professions moving in a different way to give new minor insights re: the location /people developing over time. (Updated to keep interest).

(Achievements could be added for fun and to collect).

(Some long story quests in Classic were well liked and made questing/npcs more interesting).

This could offer a fun easy way to encourage RP.

Maybe new mini professions could make items (or quest items) that are needed by others and sold in a shop or npc ?

Mini professions such as:

Carpenter - wagons, mounts, furniture for npcs, barrels.

Fence - shady side of things money to be made - guards chase, fine or jail you if caught though.

Miller - new unique types of flour for speciality bread, pasta and pastries to supply bakeries/players for quests.

Antiques Dealer - Collects resells rare items or restores them. Minor link to shady character quest/prof.

Art Dealer - Collects, restores, resells or exhibit = ‘cultured buff’ for visitors.

Wainwright - Making parts for wagons/carts/boats. Mount pls Linked to a new boat/cart race event ?

Brewer - Make specialist beer etc to sell to inns, buy ingredients/barrels from other traders. Linked to Brewfest as a trader questline.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Skadefryden-turalyon

No, that’s your focus in WoW.

No, that’s literally, factually, THE main focus of WoW.

@Skadefryden-turalyon

WoW is an MMO about whatever the players wants it to be

Then where’s my housing?
I want WoW to be a FPS!
Why can’t I build my own town?

See how that nonsense doesn’t work?

[Skadefryden-turalyon]

@Tah-earthen-ring

No, that’s literally, factually, THE main focus of WoW.

Which is correct, and semantically different from

@Tah-earthen-ring

WoW is about combat;

WoW is about the MMO experience, which mainly is focused on combat. This means there also are non-combat activities available.

@Tah-earthen-ring

Then where’s my housing?

Just because WoW have non-combat activities, it doesn’t means that there are all possible features yet.

@Tah-earthen-ring

I want WoW to be a FPS!

And others prefer WoW to be a TPS. Guess what, you both can have what you want!

@Tah-earthen-ring

Why can’t I build my own town?

Because

@Tah-earthen-ring

I want WoW to be a FPS!

also what I wrote above.

[Tah-earthen-ring]

@Skadefryden-turalyon

Which is correct, and semantically different from

Semantics.
Ptewy.

@Skadefryden-turalyon

This means there also are non-combat activities available.

Of course. And I like some of them (I would love housing!).
Still doesn’t make me interested in the least in a non-combat class.
And since WoW’s primary focus is combat; I don’t see the devs comitting the amount of time and resources needed to develop such a thing. In fact; I’d MUCH rather want to see them develop housing as a non-combat feature (which would of course still be connected to combat through drops from bosses and such).

[Kulgrath-chamber-of-aspects (Kulgrath)]

You are quite right.

Those ideas would only work as mini-games or some other new system. It makes zero sense to have them as classes and would just be a total mess of functionality and haywired systems.

Classes are for combat, professions are for enhancing it.

It may work in a very very different MMORPG where character advancement isn’t so fundamentally tied to combat like it is in WoW. It would basically mean redesigning this game from the ground up, and I think even the OP can see that is a completely unfeasible proposition.

I suppose they could call such an idea something like ‘non-combat class’ but it can’t work within the system of classes/specs. In other words every player should be able to learn one, as it doesn’t actually impact or work with that entirely unrelated system. Classes and specs just by definition are exclusive, and excluding oneself from combat in any kind of way that permantly gimps the player is a ridiculous concept.

It could be called ‘Vocation’ and every player can pick one. Then one could be a Warrior class with the Bard Vocation. It could even have levels and all that class kind of goodness, but it just can’t BE a class within the current system.

Oh and as I alluded to before, the argument “Well, it doesn’t effect you.” is invalid because using up so much resources on what is a silly idea DOES effect me, and I’d wager the majority of the playerbase who agree with me.

[Lunabing-ravencrest]

@Tahen-pozzo-delleternità

it wouldn’t be able to do anyting solo

It would have some simple attacking skills and weapon skills, enough for killing mobs near herbs, not enough for killing raid bosses.

@Retributor-draenor

lets just agree that non combat classes are a meme in wow universe.

let’s just don’t

@Splatterpunk-tarren-mill

And wat you gonna do with all the gold you take from players?

Many things

@Kulgrath-chamber-of-aspects

This game just doesn’t have the depth for that kind of thing.

Yes, but this can be a start.

@Starla-aerie-peak

Mini professions

Yeah, this could especially work if they are seriously planning player housing for the next expansion.

@Tah-earthen-ring

No, that’s literally, factually, THE main focus of WoW

Explain that to an RP player that never had any max level character, never did any end-game content, but enjoys the game more than you.

@Tah-earthen-ring

I want WoW to be a FPS!
Why can’t I build my own town?

See how that nonsense doesn’t work?

Whatever the players want within the fantasy world. You know what he means, but you are purposely exaggerating your examples, to make him look wrong, but you are shooting to your own leg.

@Kulgrath-chamber-of-aspects

It may work in a very very different MMORPG where character advancement isn’t so fundamentally tied to combat like it is in WoW.

Yes, you are right, but we can start building space for other types of players as well, right? Right now it’s too combat-focused, but are we limited to start the change?

@Kulgrath-chamber-of-aspects

it can’t work within the system of classes/specs.

Yes, so it won’t.

@Kulgrath-chamber-of-aspects

excluding oneself from combat in any kind of way that permantly gimps the player is a ridiculous concept.

How exactly? You do your raids or mythics or pvp, and there’s a random dude somewhere in Mount Hyjal logging some awesome trees. How exactly it effects the other classes?

@Kulgrath-chamber-of-aspects

it just can’t BE a class within the current system.

I still cannot see why.

@Kulgrath-chamber-of-aspects

using up so much resources on what is a silly idea

It’s a silly idea for you. All your disagreement is a silly idea for me. So who’s right then? Are you pushing your own opinions here?

[Coldsháde-argent-dawn (Coldsháde)]

I’d rather if we just added more professions that the existing classes can use to add this sort of functionality. This addition would almost certainly result in most competitive players having to create a civillian alt for their own uses, or at least heavily missing out if they do not do that.

@Lunabing-ravencrest

This class could also behave like an NPC. You can give other players a quest for farming some resources

If the reward was any meaningful, you would end up with people using all sorts of tricks to give the quest to themselves and get benefits both on the quest-giving and quest-completing character. This doesn’t seem like healthy gameplay.

[Lunabing-ravencrest]

@Coldsháde-argent-dawn

If the reward was any meaningful, you would end up with people using all sorts of tricks to give the quest to themselves and get benefits both on the quest-giving and quest-completing character. This doesn’t seem like healthy gameplay.

You are right, but this can be fixed easily. It can be implemented at first, and then check how players abuse it, and start working on the limits that stop abusing.

[Ishayo-tarren-mill]

They had this in early alpha and decided against it because they felt that nobody should level up a character and then find themselves unable to participate in raids, PvP, etc.

And then we got professions as they are today.

I agree with them.

If you want a non-combat “class”, simply make a character of any class and then go all out on professions.

Which reminds me - there isn’t much to go all out on regarding professions these days. Blizzard could do a lot more there.

[Bigbazz-tarren-mill (Bigbazz)]

I can just imagine the community response to Blizzard unveiling the new Class and it’s a non combat civilian class where you do the Warchief’s paperwork. The problem with this idea is that it’s super niche, and would require a massive amount of work to somehow fit into the game with any sort of meaningful role.

It’d be hilarious though, just the level of time wasted to create something like this in a game purely revolving around murder and pillaging.

[Vulpie-quelthalas]

@Lunabing-ravencrest

You can give other players a quest for farming some resources (limited amounts, of course). When the players finish farming it, they can mail it to you and claim good cosmetic rewards.

You are basically talking about an enormous amount of Dev work to merely replicate what Professions and Bank/AH Alts already do, with a few bells and whistles.

Therefore pointless, because the uptake would need to be very low… otherwise the more peeps who played one of your proposed Trader characters, the faster it would become an economic race to the bottom, because of competition.
You can already see this as current patches and an Xpac progress…both for mats and Profession goods.