since its useless crap gear that drops anyway thats just a stepping stone to real keys?
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IMO there should be a way to upgrade items between tiers. It’s a shame that I have to farm the same item multiple times as I progress my character. Let it be costly, like require Enchanted Aspect’s Shadowflame Crest to upgrade to the heroic tier.
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Should go back to 3 items per dungeon
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You could get some tier from rifts and upgrade them also get some crafted or BOE’s to help up your item level so you can get into 16+ bracket easier.
Also dont use m+ as only way to gear up.
You can do 5 x heroic dungeons for 415 loot
you can do 5 x tw dungeons for normal raid loot
You can get x 1 tier piece from rift this week
LFR raid
Normal raid
crafted
and cheap BOE’s
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it must also make a lot of sense to play low keys at all! because the current gearing system is more than strange!
certain classes like aug also have it very easy. I didn’t get any invites as a fresh 70s with rubbish gear and just played my keys. after a few hours i was able to time 17s keys very easily.
the group search takes time, but there is no other way.
next week i was able to time 20s and got an invite pretty quickly because main char was linked in raider io profile and people updated their data.
even though i hardly play aug he is already 444 ilvl.
but how do you even get top people in low keys?
very simple: good cosmetics and recipes! and cosmetics don’t have to be a homeless set in mold-puke-green colors. and be on the same level as items from the old raids!
then surely bored and overgeared people come in the low keys and you have very chilled and timed run without toxic blabla in the chat…
It isn’t super hard to go straight to 11s but regardless, even if you get gear drops you need to farm like 80 dungeons for crests and stones
how did you do that?
over the course of the season i ran probably close to 100 dungeons and I am ilvl 442 or something. I still have 3 things to upgrade as i am lacking flightstones (LOL)
To reach 444 ilvl you need to have quite some items on 447 which you only can get from m raid or the vault.
running a lot of 20s probably saves you quite some crests and stones but most people cannot skip champion gear anyways.
I geared many chars and the amount of dungeons you need to run for crests is crazy.
Acutally on my priest which i only did 1 dungeon since the beginning of the season has mostly better gear than chars that I didn’t do that and farmed a ton of dungeons over some weeks.
The gearing system is incredible stupid
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If its crap, why do you want more of it?
For the same reason people call my threads crap but keep posting on them.
you need to get some basic gear after you dinged 70 because the ilvl gap is huge.
But according to the op its useless.
i guess what he means is:
It is useless to upgrade but you kinda need it as a quick stepping stone to farm at least champion gear.
but the gear drops are so low that you need to run a ton of garbage dungeons that are super duper easy but you cannot go higher because nobody will invite you.
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Actually you are wrong:
you are not supposed to farm the same item twice.
You are supposed to climb using random gear (and maybe 425-430 ilvl) and do 17s. Only way someone has to “refarm” a "bis’ item from 11-16s (437 max) to 17s+ (441 max) is
a) because were SUPER lucky with drops and got it relative fast (and then realises that has to farm it the proper way)
b) spent more time than they should in lower bracket till they were super overgeared and decided to go higher.
Obviously if someone gets the bis trinket in one of the first few lower key runs in a character will qq having to farm it at 17+ proper way. It’s in the game. I like the change with last season that u were farming everything in a +2 and then used valor to max it.
there isn’t actually that much different because of the amount of crest you require.
If you are running around in 11s in the beginning the amout of crests and stones is really incredible high and probably tops the amount of valor that I needed to upgrade a stupid trinket that i farmed in a +2 for efficiency.
So lets say you start at ilvl 380 which is around the green garbage from AH.
with 380 you will have a hard time even getting into a +4.
Effectively before you are invited to a +11, you probably have to be 420+, which obviously is over gearing a +11 and actually requires +11 gear in the first place, but it is what it is.
All that is left is to run your own key. If you are a DD, well bad luck, nobody applies if they see your score or your ilvl.
most of the time it is for me 3 dungeons = 1 item, but there seem to be a lot of overlapps in drops so that I end up with 20 dungeons giving me effectively 3 pcs of gear that is useable.
unfortunately the most effective way is waiting for vault… what a great design
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You can craft an almost full set of 408s using 1 enchanted whelping crest each which is far better than 380. I believe you can get 7-8 whelping crests in an afternoon?
Then you will drop the sparks for the 424s you can craft.
I would definitely not start m+ at 380.
End game content like raid and m+ (and even arena or rbg honestly) is not designed for solo queue. Its supposed to be played with a premade group. Obviously people can always solo queue (i do that 9/10 keys i play) but you need a high score from previous season or being an alt of a high scored main in order for people to trust you that you can perform. Its simple.
I think it is a combination of luck with loot/vault drops and doing keys on higher key level as that saves you using crests.
It isn’t even anything outlandish, but likely takes longer in pugs. This monk was somewhere around 440 by the 3rd/4th week of the season starting, and that was with a 408 diurna ting and the annulet.
That was with me doing atleast 8 dungeons a week (there aren’t many tanks in my guild so demand for them is high) along with armor stacking to an extent (we have quite a few leather DPS in the guild). I also filled up my raid slots too, but those had less value compared to high ilvl dungeon pieces.
Ilvl climb is pretty fast depending on the method you use, but most are very limited to use in pugs.
how??? explain
blizzard would rather you buy tokens so u can craft some gear instead of play the game in anything below 17. lets be honest, thats the idea.
buy some tokens buy some 17+ carries and craft some gear so u can skip the lowers keys, evident in the lfg tool aswell.
should make the game f2p soon with all this pay 2 win for irl money they actively support.
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