How did anyone become a Primalist when the Incarnates were imprisoned on an island that was gone for 10,000 years and scrubbed from history

It doesn’t make any sense to me. Primalists appeared pretty much the second the Dragon Isles were rediscovered. Out of nowhere, hordes of pissed off shamans were rampaging across Azeroth in the prepatch. Where did they come from? With the Incarnates imprisoned and forgotten on a lost island, how does anyone know they exist and why did they decide to join them when they got their asses handed to them by the Dragonflights?

How did Kurog find out about Raszageth? Why did he choose to free her? How did he know where her prison was, and why did he free her specifically, and not the three Incarnates all imprisoned together? If he could smash open one prison, why not another? How did anyone become a Primalist when there were no Incarnates to bestow primal energies on them or their proto-dragons (a la Eranog), and how did they get to the Dragon Isles before we did?

I came up with a possible prepatch story that would’ve answered most of these questions. Don’t mind the formatting, I typed it up on Discord originally, where I couldn’t be bothered to press the shift key.

Summary

the dragon isles come back and the aspects fly off back to the isles. overjoyed at the sight of their home, they send messengers back to azeroth to tell the mortal races that the wondrous lands are found again. however, primal proto-dragons (who, being in stasis, wouldn’t have been weakened over time) tail these messengers back to azeroth, kill them as they get close, and instead veer off to start gathering intel. with the messengers dead, it’d give the primal proto-dragons a couple of weeks to recruit.

as you’re doing the pre-quests, rather than the extremely dull primal storms event, there could’ve been an sl-style questline where, while waiting for the boat to be finished, a small group of primalists attack goldshire/razor hill as a dragon messenger corpse washes up on shore. the attackers are almost entirely night elves and trolls, so you’re dispatched to the nelf encampment in stormwind (alliance) and the sen’jin isles (horde) to investigate.

there, you find a primal proto-dragon in visage form (or speaking through someone else, if proto-dragons can’t have visages) preaching to those two maligned races about how their home was destroyed, their people were massacred, and the titans (ignoring the fact the nelves aren’t descended from titan constructs) did nothing to help them in those three years since (alliance) and that they’ve been utterly stagnant and weak and with the help of the primalists, they can regain their power and begin rebuilding their empire (horde). there could also be some nice rp for nelf and troll players where they can get special interactions.

as particularly pissed off nelves and sullen, ambitious trolls take the proto-dragon up on his offer, they become a much larger force of primalists who can forcefully convert doubters (of which there would surely be many) and begin the trek not just back to the dragon isles (which explains how they got there faster than you) but also disperse into azeroth to recruit other races with their fancy new powers. you report back to the shipmaster.

after this, part 2 of the prepatch event begins, which can be simply the primal storms event and it can play out vanilla. the primalists are pushed back to the dragon isles and the story unfolds as-is.

Maybe this sort of thing will be addressed some other time, but right now it’s not something I can ignore. It’s too weird. But if there’s any explanations, I’d love to hear them.

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A wizard did it.

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They are the troops from Legion’s shaman mission tables that everyone forgot about, you’d be pissed too if you were them

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I might have a theory: Razsageth was imprisoned on the forbidden reach for 20.000 years, perhaps slumbering.

she might have been able to call upon a shaman (Kurog Grimtotem) maybe cause he was using the power of the Lightning, and thus she was able to comunicate whit him and show the “true power” of the primalists.

Kurog might have recruited new primalists, since the primalist of this Xpac are the “new Generation”, and showed them the raw elemental powers, and then he attacked forbidden reach once he gained enought strenght and freed Raszageth.

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Did Kurog Grimtotem explore the Forbidden Reach after a stone titan watcher Kortanos activated the beacon of Tyrhold?

They awakened Raszageth and Raszageth created Primalists. /thread

I believe communicating through elements is a thing in Warcraft.

Raszageth is about as close to the element of Air as one could be without straight up being an elemental, so it’s perhaps possible that she could communicate with a powerful shaman despite the titanic bindings keeping her contained. And Kurog seems to fit that niche

The writers probably didn’t write it with this kind of in-depth analysis and criticism in mind.

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Blizzard

/10 characters

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It makes as little sense as the rest of the lore - all written in an opportunistic matter just to create a context to a game in making.

Oh, expect a paperback at some point.

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My head canon: they’re a splinter group of the Twilight’s Hammer who are more interested in power than the end of the world. They learned about the Incarnates via a combination of elemental pacts and Old God whispers but the information was incomplete.

Well, it does to me.

In a few Warcraft books (such as “Rise of the Horde”) there is mentioned that Shamans can communicate with the wind carrying their whispers for long distances (as far as I remember). Why should those “Primalists” (who were probably former shamans) not be corrupted by voices in the wind?

I believe that some already lived there. Like the Centaur and Tuskarr. Also, remember that the Tuskarr have a ferry boat that heads all over Azeroth.

It could be that the Dragon Isles were forgotten but the magic didn’t prevent some sorts of travel to it. Dragons didn’t know to go there, while mortals that stumbled across it would never think to spread the word. That may be the means of the spell.

For those stranded for generations on the Island, whispers from primalist elements escaping the vault or simply there because of the presence of their masters within the vault, might eventually convert them. Hardship isn’t so bad when you have a cause.

Then, of course, you have all the new comers to the Island. Maybe they just get to work quickly?

once in the distant past the drangons were all on race and the titans gave them dragon powers , those who fell out with the titans became the bad old primalists , if you listen to the dragon queen she tells you what happened 20,000 years ago when the primalists revolted and were imprisoned along with the dragon armies . now dragonflight takes place 20000 years after the dragon wars

I agree ! And where the foop are they all coming from where did they live they arent from horde or alliance they are a big plot hole in the story. They should all have been made up from native dragon isles races.

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Why would any sane person even start worshipping elements. The elemental powers in wow have gotten a whooping from every single cosmic power in the game. Why would you ever go for such a weak power that was stomped by void, fel, arcane etc…

:smiley: When you read description of kurog grimtotem he was pupil of magatha
so i believe when we traveled there as explorers they also traveled there because of reasons
i didn’t read any quests so maybe it is there
but blizzard lost the charm of building stuff up
For example twillight hammer was beautifully builded up throughout Wotlk and cata ended their story
really liked that
Here nothing like that happend they suddenly were there and were trying to seduce people of dragon isles to submit to raszageth

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Asnwer ? do u remember cata ?

The real answer is of course that Razaketh was imprisoned, and a person who imprisons someone is a JAILER.

We’ve been blind. The Primalist have been planned as far back as Warcraft 3.