How did this go through testing?

How did monk mobility and tp abuse go through testing, why can a monk leave a copy at his base go 1500 yards away from it , come back and the copy still be there for him to use to get up behind the barrier. Now basically any flag solo blitz is determined by only who has a monk that can abuse that = win.

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Testing?

Why would you assume Blizzard cares if their game is scuffed?

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^ this has always been the case.
Not sure why this is a shock to people now, after 10+ years?

How is that of any relevance at all?

People are commenting on it now, because all of a sudden BGs are a competitive gamemode, that people actually play. (Yes, rated BGs have been around for a long time, but barely anyone play it, so it didnā€™t attract a lot of attention)

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Thereā€™s literally nothing ā€™all of a suddenā€™ about what you typed.

BGs have always been a competitive game mode, that people actually play.
And have done for decades.

Monks have always been able to port with flag. There is nothing ā€™all of a suddenā€™ about it.

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No they havent. Rated BGs have always been a thing, but something an extremely small group of people play. My point is that with rated blitz, itā€™s actually something the masses play now.

shouldnā€™t be surprised people complain about it nowā€¦ but even then, itā€™s completely irrelevant. Because ā€˜this has been a problem for a long timeā€™ is not an argument as to why it shouldnā€™t be fixed

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remove smoke bomb, how can it be that you can cap flags without beeing get target? its a problem for years now!

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Ah ok.
Your point was about a game mode that you failed to mention.

This hasnā€™t been ā€˜a problem for a long timeā€™.

Either youā€™re talking about Port in all BGs (which have been around for a long time, but Port hasnā€™t been ā€˜a problem for a long timeā€™ since no oneā€™s cried about it until recently).
Or youā€™re talking exclusively about Blitz, which simply hasnā€™t been around for ā€˜a long timeā€™.
You canā€™t have it both ways.

Thereā€™s loads of quirky abilities enabling classes to shine by utilising them in niche situations (& have been able to for a long time).
I donā€™t think any of them should be removed.
The game would be stale & boring if everyone is reduced to zero usable niche abilities.

Keep upā€¦ Iā€™ll explain it one more timeā€¦

MWs might have been a problem for a long time in all BGs. But outside of a VERY small group of people playing RBGs, BGs havenā€™t been competitive untill now with Blitz. This is why people complain about it now.

Iā€™m not saying it has both been a problem for a long time via all BGs and at the same time only just became a problem via Blitz. That makes no sense. I AM saying, that it has only just become a problem for A MUCH BIGGER PORTION OF PLAYERS now - which is why people suddenly complain about it. Itā€™s really not that shocking it would work that way, when you think about itā€¦

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MW definately needs tuning in blitz. They literally just fly across the map, water, mountains, to the other side of the map in 3 seconds. It is beyond ridiculous. These shenanigans should stay in randoms, along with engineering and other troll pulls.

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Sorry i forgot the sarcasm sign. Im totaly agree with you!

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slow them, soak them, grip them, wait at his transcendence copy and nuke him. . . there are many ways to beat them
and maybe they are fast but they still have to kill YOUR fc to turn in the flag

Highest rated MW Monk in Blitz - 3000 elo
Highest rated Holy Priest - 2200 elo

'Nuff said :joy: :clown_face:

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Got it. I think.

ā€¦itā€™s suddenly a problem for all the new players to competitive BGā€™s who are experiencing it for the first time, havenā€™t worked out how to counteract it yet & think it should be removed?

I genuinely donā€™t play much Blitz, so I donā€™t really have a dog in that fight. Howeverā€¦

There are tactics to playing around Port & Monk mobility. Mirschag just listed a few. There are stacking debuffs nerfing mobility. Highly dependent on your roll of teammates, but many/most experienced players can & do counteract Monks. I get outplayed by good players all the time.

Itā€™s a bit sour to want something removed just because one hasnā€™t managed to transcend the problem.

I meanā€¦ I donā€™t really have a lot of expertise in playing against MW in Blitz, so I donā€™t know what the counters to them are, if there are any

So because YOU manage to get outplayed occasionally, thereā€™s clear and definitely counters? Then why donā€™t the 2700 rated players do it when they face Miraxo? Why are there 4 MWs on top 10 on the EU ladder?

Iā€™m not necessarily arguing that it should be removed - but IF itā€™s as broken as people make it up to be, then isnā€™t it fair if we at least review if itā€™s reasonable? Judging by how Avidance and Miraxo absolutely dominate the Blitz ladder, I donā€™t think itā€™s unreasonable to say itā€™s pretty broken

But you should not judge by how the best out of the best RBG players since ages play.
You will most likely never get them or Eheroes players in your lobbies, except for when youā€™re also extremely good and play this high.
MW is unquestionable the best healer rn in blitz with his toolkit etc, but even they lose games.
You will also get good MWs or Evokers in your lobbies which make the game healer wise pretty even, it still comes down to how both teams overall play.
I speak as a ret pally btw, how do you think I would catch a MW monk? :joy:
Like already mentioned here, there are some ways to kill everything and everyone on any map, doesnā€™t matter how op a specc is rn, your team just needs to communicate and do it right.

What do you suggest then? If we donā€™t judge specs by how high rating the best of the best players are able to achieve, should we judge specs based on how the average player do?

I am genuinely curious to hear how you think we should judge specs, if not by looking at the best

In general people should not cry so much abt ā€œwe cant play against something because itā€™s opā€. (I donā€™t mean you with it)
There will always be speccs which are stronger than others, because this game will never be balanced, no idea why people still think that. :man_shrugging:
With this I donā€™t say that no1 should complain abt anything anymore, no, but do it right, and not just say ā€œthis class is op, we canā€™t win, blizzard nerf it.ā€
Yes monk mobilitie is busted, no question.
Can they still lose?
Yes ofc.

Also Avidance and Miraxo lost games, either they got countered by other top players in blitz, or their team was just not so good overal as the enemy team.
I just meant you go and look at people who are the best on their class in a bracket and think that every MW or Sub rogue who plays in blitz is also that big of a deal.

Look at the forum, there are every season multiple topics abt almost every class/specc which claim itā€™s op, all the timeā€¦even tho often they arenā€™t.
The good or best players of every class will come high at the end of the season, no matter what they play as main, does it so much matter if their highest rating is 2.6K or 3K?

Yes.

ā€¦& fair enough.
But because some noobs complain that they donā€™t know how to counter Port yet, & come to the forums to complain, doesnā€™t mean there arenā€™t any.

Iā€™m sure they do given the opportunity -& if their team is better, they succeed.
But I havenā€™t read any complaints from 2700 rated players (that Iā€™m aware of) about Port.
I would have thought such high-rated players would be at least familiar with Port (whether their counters succeed or not).

Because theyā€™re really good players!?
If not MW, itā€™d be some other spec.

I donā€™t know who these players are, but I hear about certain specs rotating through ā€˜the top of the ladderā€™ all the time.

Iā€™m not sure the average player should have his toolkit nerfed because the best of the best of the best can dominate with the same spec.

I think it is.
Especially from people who donā€™t have much experience facing MW.

Absolutely.
Thereā€™s probably tons of examples of players getting trolled by MW. But Iā€™d argue thereā€™s tons of examples of MW getting dunked on.