Why not try steal Opulence instead?
Almost seems as most horde here haven’t done the alliance war campaign… The recent one from 8.1 where the horde send three ships and attack anglepoint wharf. Killing many civilians there, just simple dockworkers. They even bring a large forsaken contingent and begin attempts to blight the civilians and the area.
Now what is interesting is: https://www.wowhead.com/quest=53910/repel-the-horde. Some of those axe throwers and horde forces can in fact be zandalari. Take it as you will, there is definitely a zandalari presence there and they are attacking Kul Tiran civilians on Kul Tiran soil, which to me is casus beli enough for retaliation.
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The blue quests in general show reds doing a looot of 
that you won’t even see in any remote sense of the word if you’re on the red team, it’s very frustrating.
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Which is understandable. Just saying the attack on Dazar’alor is anything but random and unprovoked though at this point. Especially if the zandalari are helping the horde attack Kul Tiras.
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Half “this is exactly what the shamans mean when they talk about things like the Cycle of Hatred, we brought destruction to Pandaria, now we’ve brought it to Zandalar” and half “the Zandalari are clearly a people in need of help all things aside; we need to do what the Horde does best and help them recover.”
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The Alliance could have achieved so much more by sending some SI:7 agents in instead.
Twenty good murder hobos should do the trick.
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Give me ten good men, and I’ll impreg— Best not.
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Damnit Fairbanks, we’ve already lost one good thread to moderation this day!
Uh oh…give me the details!
Pet peeves, they killed it! Those bastards!
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Like if Sylvanas didn’t do exactly the same thing with attacking Brennadam earlier in this expansion before Kul Tiras had declared anything of returning to the fold. Then there’s the matter of the Horde already using Zandalar as a staging ground of sorts.[/quote]
As has been mentioned, Kul Tiras and the Horde have been at war since the Third War. Heck, Kul Tiras has made a lullaby of being at war with the Horde and we see how fervent they are during the Horde War Campaign.
As for Brennadam, when I was playing on the Alliance and the Horde invaded, I was… Actually cheering? Because Brennadam is actually a legitimate target, especially because it is a commercial center. War isn’t fought selectively. Warfronts don’t purposefully evade logistics centers.
Kul Tiras and the New Horde had been at war for years and the Horde has finally had an opportunity to strike back. Brennadam was a supply center, so it makes sense to hit it. The thing is, Kul Tirans themselves said that they don’t retreat. Every Kul Tiran citizen defends his land tooth and nail. They can yell about being innocent all they want, but if they’re screaming into battles, even to defend their own land, they’re the militia and the Horde needs to put them down as part of their mission. That’s just how it is.
Attacking Dazar’alor
We’ll probably be given more context over time, but as it stands, Zandalar seems kind of like a weird target. Jaina doesn’t even seem to know about what’s happened in Teldrassil or the Arathi Highlands in great detail. She’s been on non-stop journey ever since she came back from her self-imposed exile and only heard bits and pieces while she was in one place or the other.
She just knows that Talanji was being held captive for reasons that we still don’t understand. She does know that a Zandalari prophet may or may not have set fire to Stormwind trying to escape the Stockades. We don’t know exactly what she knows beyond that. This could simply be her pursuing a vendetta and the Zandalari being the closest, easiest target to lash out against. It could be a strategic pre-emptive strike. It could be both.
My theory has always been that the Alliance would break on the question whether a pre-emptive strike was every appropriate, with Anduin firmly believing ‘no’ and the rest of the Alliance more or less ignoring him. Even though Jaina might say that she wishes Rastakhan wasn’t killed and even though she might say that they shouldn’t press the attack, that doesn’t mean that that is what she is actually thinking. Remember, she’s a diplomat. If she can cast herself in the role of a reasonable pacifist now, she’ll be in the perfect position to change her tune to align with the rest of the Alliance. What I’m saying is, Jaina might be playing at being pacifist now so she can seem more reasonable to Anduin later.
WQs and Contuinity
The way that WQs and other quest content meshes together isn’t very clear. Keep in mind that these WQs were designed not for right now, but for the whole of the expansion. That means that these quests represent future as well as present attacks, without necessarily any logic to the way that the attacks are escalating.
I’m not actually saing to take the WQs with a pinch of salt. I’m just saying that they might make more sense in retrospect when Blizzard is finally done rolling out patch 8.1.9999: “the actual patch that actually launches BFA”.
My character believes this attack wasn’t a good idea. It means focusing on the Horde’s allies rather than the Horde itself - it seems an unnecessary waste of resources that will increase the antagonism between the Alliance and the Zandalari, making the latter unite with the Horde. Besides, it will most likely strengthen the bond between the Horde and the Zandalari.
But considering the military union between the Horde and Alliance seemed inevitable, he will reluctantly agree that something had to be done about it.
Either way, once the enemy king has been defeated, he will be pleased by the outcome.
Too heavy for me.
This would require a degree of subtlety in writing that isn’t seen anywhere else in the story at this moment.
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I don’t think that Blizzard is incapable of doing it. They just have no idea how little good will they have right now or how much they seem to stretch the good will they have.
My central complaint about Blizzard writing is that they are using multi-media narratives as a shell game. And shell-games aren’t good stories. If we don’t know what’s going on, it’s not a story.
So, I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the actual story and we’re going to find out in a book, but until then, we’re just going to have to assume that they’re clever. Or that they’re dumb. Pick your poison, I don’t think it really matters as long as Blizzard tries to look more clever than they are.
I don’t think that they’re dumb or incapable of telling good stories. I’m frustrated that they keep pretending that they’re geniuses for not just telling us the story we paid for up front rather than after we’ve fought it out on the forums.
“I’m going to say the G word.”
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My character’s neutral with a passion, but he’s bound to lose some civilian friends in the siege. Maybe it’ll make him reconsider.
IC?
Lay low the barbarian foe. Nothing is excessive in this war against an enemy that will never relent and kill all in their path, defiling the world in the process. Unseat their leadership and plunder their cities of gold to fund the war effort. Confiscate their objects of magical might and occupy the titan facilities to empower our armies. The zandalari have fought alongside the horde since they first set foot on the island and thus pay the price for their foolish choice to assist the banshee queen in destroying the world.
The Alliance has a moral obligation to be on the offensive after decades of reactive, defensive warfare and to end this madness by imposing a new order and asserting sensible rulership over people who have proven unfit to rule themselves.
Kill them all? What kind of barbarian are you? No, no, there must still be standards and the willing can still fight under the lion banner when the Legion returns. Scoop up the downtrodden and disaffected who suffered under the troll king and let them fight, earning their place in the new world once this is done.
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Character is very WIP, but it’s actually a question I’d thought about while levelling. I’m still not sure where I’ll take her as a character, but this represents the current thoughts on the issue.
Most likely a mixture of anger, sadness, and fear.
Sadness, because simply association with the Horde (or Alliance), means people are legitimate targets. She’s beginning to wonder if the Hozen, Taunka, and other races the Horde has allied with will become targets as well. She has a sneaking suspicion that the war between the Alliance and Horde will rapidly involve the entire planet, and drag every race into it.
Fear, because… She doesn’t know much about Zandalar (at least, right now), but if the Alliance is strong enough to defeat the Champions of the Loa, and (if she hears) Bwonsamdi himself, what chance does she stand if she’s on the battlefield against one of them? They might have beaten the Alliance back, and killed some of their champions, but the losses the Alliance took were comparatively few, compared to the entire Zandalari fleet.
Anger, because while she doesn’t know much about Zandalar, she’d heard vague rumours of their accomplishments, mighty civilisation, and fantastical loa. Now, she has no chance to see the full extent of the city’s majesty with her own eyes, and will only visit after a legendary defeat.