Fragmented and has been this way for a while. Factions don’t really stand out from individual/solo goals anymore.
She is giving them a chance during the truce, but expecting them to restart the war anytime convenience strikes.
For her, it is bound to happen as the Alliance is not looking for long-lasting peace but just for a breather to regain its forces before trying to strike at the “Horde savages” again.
I don’t depise it 
As I said before:
To elaborate, he tries to be aware of the Alliance’s flaws, but he does see them ultimately as the place where his people belong now and as an organisation that has mostly been waging -defensive- wars. And when he saw his people, the Gilneans, get attacked by the Forsaken a second time, that was the final straw for him to hang up his Argent colors, even if he does miss them.
Now he hopes to do his part in making the Alliance a better place by atleast giving them a paladin that people can hopefully rely on.
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It’s definitely an issue with Alliance leaders.
One of the big issues with lore is that Horde is treated very much with a “Judge me by what I say, not what I do” mantra. In so much as it presents them misunderstood and peaceful and shamanastic, and Alliance are bigots for hating them.
In reality though, I don’t think there’s been a moment in all of Warcraft history where, left to their own devices, the Horde hasn’t just started bombing or murdering everyone. They talk about their guilt of their crimes too, and that’s treated by writers as absolving them of them.
It’s fine to play these down for balance and story points of view, It’s needed to drive the plot in places after all, but the Alliance leaders now all seem to believe this mantra unqestionably too.
This is how you end up with insanity like Night Elve players helping Anduin free the war criminal Saurfang because he feels guilty, then aiding him so he’ll die with honor and then having a heroes send-off for him… after he was just central in genocide of one of the Alliance races.
After Southshore, Brennadam, Theramore, Gilneas, Ashenvale, Teldrassil etc, it’s actually insane seeing the Alliance leaders so chummy with the Horde and forgiving them all so easily. An Alliance insurrection would actually make a great plot for the next expansion.
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Lightbound Alliance when???
(And after genociding and warcriming against Horde territory the Alliance leaders should be absolved because they’re so, so, so sorry).
Don’t be silly, the alliance doesn’t need to express any remorse to have its sins sweeped under the rug.
Come on. You know you want to elaborate.
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Jaina Proudmoore and Genn Greymane come to mind.
Something something mr Sunreaver buying the purger of dalaran herself gifts, and the guy that tried to assassinate the warchief during a ceasefire in the midst of a worldwide demonic invasion against his king’s orders having received absolutely 0 repercussions for it beyond anduin going ‘don’t do it again !’.
I don’t blame Greymane for trying; since Sylvanas destroyed his country, slaughtered his people and killed his son.
The timing was awful, but in principal he was more than justified! And it turned that he’d accidentally foiled one of her evil schemes, so that’s always a good thing.
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A topic for another thread folks. Can we get back to the OP’s topic? It’s a decent thread.
His king’s orders? he is a king himself.
He did it because:
perfectly explained by Kyrene. I dont know why people kinda brush off the fact that when family members get murdered it can turn the person revengful. we see this with Alleria when she wanted to wipe out the orc race after her brother was killed, we see this with Vereesa after her husband got nuked in Theramore. “they killed my husband” is a qoute she used during the isle of thunder when the panda ordered for a ceasefire, and her voice was cracking, as if she was broken and about to cry. Felt very bad for her.
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With some legitimate reasoning if we consider the fact Jaina could not know who amongst the Sunreavers betrayed Dalarani neutrality, and she had to act quickly before the ones responsible managed to flee.
Genn was given orders to engage Sylvanas if he thought the situation required it. If Anduin did not want this to happen, he should have sent someone else instead of three of the largest warhawks in the Alliance - Darius, Genn and Sky Admiral Rogers.
All of these actions also pale in comparison to what the Horde has done before and since. There’s not a single genocide there.
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A king of a ruined nation, and subservient to the high king of the Alliance.
As for motivation, yes, he absolutely did have a valid one. But that doesn’t change the fact that the timing was horrendous, and it was with planned defiance of the orders he was given.
Maybe if he can’t keep it in his pants he shouldn’t accept the task.
Because it’s quite frankly really really boring that Genn has never developed past yelling SYLVANAAAS at the sky and grouching about his dead son.
The purge of dalaran is literally a genocide.
But I suppose if nothing else this very much confirms what I said, Alliance sins go straight under the rug at all times.
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The roots will heal in time… as will the entire world. The sacrifices have been made. Just as the orcs, humans, and night elves discarded their old hatreds and stood united against a common foe, burning their faction leaders on a pyre, so did Conflict herself rise up to banish the peacemongers… forever.
Silly jokes aside. I was playing warcraft 3 today and it occured to me that the Faction Leaders in WoW are RTS players not RPG players.
An RTS player will declare war, engage in massive slaughter, then declare peace 10 minutes later as if nothing happened. An RPG player will kill one NPC without a second thought, kill a different NPC and feel bad about it, or go out of their way to ressurect an NPC they liked.
In short the faction leaders are monsters.
“Alliance? High King? Pfah! I tell you now; I recognise no alliance and only one throne. What audacity to think to bring us fire and spill blood in holy places only to flee and demand treaties. What arrogance! No! Soon all will be settled with every ship in Stormwind burned at anchor and anotha throne room drenched in blood. Beg for peace, then and our Queen may be gracious in victory or demand your skulls adorn every prow in de Golden Fleet.”
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(Levey, I think you need to log in with another toon)
The Sunreavers betrayed the Kirin To by using their resources to aquire a weapon of mass destruction for the Horde. It’s canon that their leader Aethas let it happen.
They were justifiably asked to leave the city for having betrayed Dalaran and the Kirin Tor.
Anyone who refused was imprisoned (temporarily) or if they chose to fight the security forces instead they died doing so.
There was no moral justification from Jaina here for the deaths, but calling it “genocide” is a joke. People using that and a few goblins in silithus being killed by spies as an equal comparison to Southshore, Brennadam, Theramore, Gilneas, Ashenvale, Teldrassil etc is frankly ridiculous.
That ties up to bringing this back on topic - The Alliance leadership seem to act like this is all tit-for-tat too. Even Greymane seems to have forgiven the Forsaken for destroying and plundering Gilneas and murdering most of the people.
At this point every single person in the Alliance must have multiple friends and family killed in unprovoked Horde attacks, so Anduin’s unshakeable sense of only trying to see the good in the Horde after all of his people that have been killed by them is just insanity. It’s both unfathomably naive and disrespectful to all those that were killed. He needs to die.
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With great, great, great, great indifference.
Don’t forget how both draenei and night elves are basically reduced to a plucky handful.
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True, a fair point.
I also think that Jaina didn’t murder those who surrendered, those were taken captive? But yeah, definitely not an ideal situation, though it does pale when compared to what the horde has done and keeps doing.
It’s not very believable to play it like the Alliance are the baddies from an OOC pov, it just doesn’t remotely fly.
And frankly, a part of me wishes this wasn’t the case. I believe the idea of Thrall’s Horde, which lasted up until WotLK, had so much potential.
It’s a shame they turned to other concepts.
That’s… a bit drastic.
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