cool way to describe the best melee in arenas atm
Keyword being arena. So they have other people on the team, one of them a healer. The presence of that healer makes them the best melee in the game if they survive the sprint. Then they win since they’re long-distance runners.
Catch Arms without a healer and any sprinter can kill them.
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If you have a healer they are one of, if not the strongest melee spec. Without a healer they are one of the weakest specs, since other classes have some self sustain options and Warriors can’t last long enough for that to play out.
That said it’s a fine trade-off, and it’s absolutely nothing new. You shouldn’t really play Warrior if you’re wanting to solo PvP and that’s been the case in every expansion other than maybe MOP where Second Wind healed infinitely below 35% health. World PVP in that expansion was completely busted though, healers were unkilledable gods in the open world and Arena had a very aggressive healing debuff to fix that (which also negated second wind to the point where a single dot would outdo the healing).
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It’s a wank trade-off because it’s essentially saying that if you want to have WM on you’re doing it wrong.
The whole dynamic changed from it being an acceptable state to being an unacceptable state the moment engaging in world PvP became an option instead of a mandatory thing enforced by your choice of server.
Arms being bad solo but great with healer is the situation in WoW since dawn of time. Is it fair? Needing babysitter to shine? You tell me.
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Well if you shine without a healer, you certainly can’t shine as much as you do with one. The trade-off is there, as a Warrior main since 2007 I’m fine with it and always have been. And people talking about War mode, with scaling gone you can still kill plenty of people, you’re not killing equally skilled/geared people but you won’t always meet those.
Would you rather Warriors be great solo PvP’ers and crap in organised PVP? I wouldn’t. If Warrior is the best melee in organised PvP then that’s a perfectly fine trade off to be the worst in world pvp, some spec has to be.
I think a lot of people would be happy if they worked well without a healer if they worked less well with a healer, Just like every other class in the game. People want agency, they dislike being dependant on others even if they accept them due to having no other choice. That’s just human psychology.
That’s a strawman. Like I said about the feeling of agency and independence. People would want it to be somewhat equal, just like everyone else. The attitude of “nothing needs to be changed ever,” is extremely Conservative. It’s on-brand for you though as every other post of yours I’ve come across is extremely negative toward any and all change. “People want change, no one wants to change.”
And no, that was no ad hominem of you as it was based on your previous and reent posting story.
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Ahh yes im completely against change, like all those posts where I’m talking about how they should buff Warriors in PVE because they suck in PVE. Or about how I think they should change Fury.
Maybe you should read some more of my posts. I’m against change when you’re trying to fix something that is working well. Arms Warrior is amazing in PvP, not just good but broken good in the eyes of many. And here you are wanting to have your cake and eat it, like that’s ever an option.
Stop posting like you just watched a highschool debate on youtube.
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I’ve beat mages and rogues 1v1 before, depends on how good they are at their class tbh.
It’s always go ham and make them panic
A well timed bladestorm is always a major factor in my duels though.
I agree with Thorleif. Actually, even against mage, you have a good chance if you went with anger management/massacre with death sentence/Storm of destruction.
Wanting things to revert back to how it was is being against change. What we have right now is change, it’s just bad change.
It’s working. If it was working well it would in no way be as lopsided as it is now. You experience it as working since you experience success in one aspect of the game. Doing an activity analysis of playing Warrior there are some serious limitations of the spec, and that’s the spec being a failure despite you experiencing success in a limited field. People mostly play solo. The only exceptions are if you only log on for Arenas and similar and have a premade team.
If you make a pie chart of solo and team play the former would fill a vastly larger amount of the pie.
Or, and this is a wild imaginary scenario, I actually have a UC BA within a field that deals heavily with activity. I loathe that kind of anti-intellectual argumentation that more than heavily implies that smart people are pretentious and actually know nothing.
I am implying you’re pretentious because you put a lot of stock into pseudo intellectual waffling, like your essay on primary school percentages.
As for Arms, I loved it in MOP, but all classes were bloated gods in MOP and many people felt it was excessive. In SL they are pretty bloated again, I’m back up to my peak number of keybinds and Warrior hasn’t been this good in PvP in a long time. even in War mode most of the people who end up in combat with me end up dead.
You’re complaining when there is nothing to complain about, its amazing in PvP while it rots in PVE.
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What school percentages?
Also, if Arms has ability bloat how is it working well? Then the statement would be “except for the ability bloat Arms is working well.”
What arms warrior abilities would you remove?
Literally everything besides SB and SS is actually good utility. And even those are arguably ok to have in your spellbook.
Actually in duels arms are very strong and fun. Remind me Dark Souls style of play - no heal, just you and enemy, and who will down enemy health bar to zero.
It’s not uncommon to get down to 15-20% of HP, and then annihilate nasty enemy. However, it’s quite complicated vs class, who can reset the fight - in case of success you will lose. So you should fight well.
Versus some retribution paladin it’s really hard, because they have effectively 3-4 bars of HP, but still bearable, if perform flawlessly.
I didn’t say the ability bloat isn’t working, it could use even more tools in PVE (like Shockwave), but in PVP it’s working amazing. You’re always looking for reasons to disagree and never offer anything meaningful in the way of discussion, you just “want change”.
Also, dude you’re still level 50. So you’re here after having rerolled to a different class, still haven’t levelled and still complaining about your perceived issues with Warrior?
They = a reference to Arms
Which is saying that Arms has an ability bloat without saying it explicitly.
You also never answered my question despite quoting it. So here I go again, what school percentages?
That’s a clear ad hominem where you imply that nothing I say should be taken seriously because of those reasons. Which I find hilarious taken that you keep posting on a level 40 Priest instead of on the Warrior you claim to have. Post on a Warrior to have your claims taken seriously, though they deserve to be scrutinized heavily as they’re all over the place with you denying saying something that you said.
And this is especially hilarious as I’ve made several posts with concrete suggestions for what I would like to see, including one where I’ve made an in-depth suggestion for a complete revamp for Arms.
As for receipts, here’s the link. I noticed that you despite saying that I do nothing have posted nothing at all in it.
Let’s Be Constructive About Warriors
Cata and MOP called, they state otherwise.
It’s ad hominem to point out you don’t have an informed opinion because you don’t play the game? Stop with the highschool debating dude, just talk like a normal human being. I feel like you’re there stroking your chin feeling really smart every time you start waffling on with your pseudo intellectual “debating” posts.
How the hell can you have any ideas about a revamp for Arms when you’re fricking level 50 and don’t even play the spec? I’d think you’d at the very least play the spec and actually partake in the posts talking about the spec. But you’re only taking part in the posts where you want to change it.
It’s like, you’re literally not playing the spec or taking part in discussion about how it is right now, yet you feel you should have an opinion on how the spec should change? Do everyone a favour and level your character so you’re at least mildly informed.
You’re the one saying that I’ve no experience with things. How do I know that you have any when you post on an LVL 40 Priest. And because this Warrior, which I have the courage to post on, which is LVL 50 completely disregards the 15 years of experience that I have with playing Warrior and the extrapolated experience from my education that makes me have pretty good tools to analyse a given activity, how it’s performed, and how it affects people.
You also disregard the possibility that I’ve played Warrior in Beta and have experienced the issues firsthandedly. And this is done by an LVL 40 Priest. Post on your Warrior or else you’re just lying about how awesome Warriors are based on your experience when looking at them without understanding that it’s the performance of others that allows them to perform to the degree that makes them scary to other people.
It’s quite easy, go to your avatar picture in the upper right corner, click it, choose your Warrior, then post on it so that we can see that you actually have some personal experience. This is what I ask for and in more confrontational language I’m telling you “put up or shut up.”