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Heard mixed opinions and google doesn’t give much info or it gives outdated stuff.
Is Arms good enough to play if you are really into duels?
Arms is very strong in all PVP right now
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without a healer - god awful
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Massively bad as they have zero survivability abilities, only mitigation. And mitigation loses to survivability any day of the week.
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I see this take often. It’s wrong. Arms on their own is incredibly weak. It’s their healer that makes them strong.
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I mean… wow is generally not, balanced around 1v1 PVP.
Yes you require a healer to do competitive PVP, but considering how insanely bursty it can be Arms is completely capable of claping and outlasting classes.
You bring a perma slow, two ways to remove roots, one of the BEST stuns in the game, an AOE fear and a snare, a spell reflect, defensive stance and die by the sword, a MS, a bleed, incredible mobility and very strong burst windows.
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Except every other class can PvP 1v1. Arms is incapable of that unless they catch the target without their cooldowns. World PvP is a sprint. Arms are Marathon runners and as such do incredibly poorly in a sprint. Everyone can cooldown them down. Once the cooldowns are down Warriors will win based on endurance alone.
This is the reason fighting Arms 1v1 is vastly different than in an organised setting.
The stun is a talent, if it was baseline it would be a different story. Everyone has the talent if they do PvP as without they’re utterly useless. And having the stun excludes having incredibly mobility. And very strong burst windows, that statement alone shows that you’ve no idea how Arms work. Do you think Arms Warriors are happy with MS hitting like a wet noodle while having the potential to crit so hard that it might as well delete the target player as well.
Also, all of those are quite useless. A 20% damage reduction is useless when others can get the same AND heal for 20% lost health.
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I mean… Arms has strong burst inside CS and is great at securing kills, and outside of WW being an extreme outlier Arms is dominating high rating because of the aforementioned burst.
I did stand corrected when I said It’s likely better in an organized setting.
I think it’s a bit of a stretch to Assume “I’ve no idea how arms works” when all you do is feelycraft on posts, in this thread on a unleveled warrior.
It is good in organized settings outside of it’s burst, especially because things like intervene/die by the sword or Intervene/Ignore pain is one of the very few things outside of Hpalas bubble/sacrifice that can actually stop kill attempts in this nuke meta, a no CD perma applied snare via hamstring, being able to peel probably better than most classes in the game etc etc.
The fact that it is a talent doesn’t change the fact that Storm Bolt is one of the fastest and best ranged stuns in the game…
The value of cheat death isn’t reduced for rogues because it is a talent, and so on and so forth… it is within ur toolking.
You also have RALLY on a 1 MIN CD inside of PVP, the ability to sharpen… also MS doesn’t hit like a wet noodle in PVP, it is comparatively low in pvp but…
Why do i bother.
EDIT: Double time is not the only mobility tool we have… Charge/Leap/Intervene, hamstring, Piercing howl, Avatar/BS to remove roots and so on…
Also yes many classes have a DR, the difference between them and Defensive stance is that defensive stance doesn’t have a duration… I can’t never mind, ur right
I have no idea how warriors work level 50 unleveled Dewd
Arms is extremely weak in 1v1 situations and probably the worst spec in the game when it comes to duels. Don’t play Arms warrior if you want to play a strong 1v1 class.
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I feel like using slurs. People like you always say “but your Intervene!!!” Intervene has zero value without another player. There are a lot of conditions that needsto be fulfilled before it’s useful. If Intervene is in play then there are two people which changes every dynamic.
Do you understand that if Storm Bolkt was baseline then it could be made weaker? As a talent, especially one that competes with Double Time.
The moment you cut out the rest of the quote that gives it context I know the
you accuse me on if sheer projection.
This was my full quote
Your entire post is "everything is a problem with Arms without thinking about the other players there beside a low acceptance of them being there and generally doing nothing. It’s all the Warrior. That’s the wording you use.
Remember when Arms was bad and RMP ruled hard? That alone shows that your implication is wrong. What makes Arms so incredibly strong in organised PvP is that it’s a marathon runner where everyone else is a sprinter. And that Shattering Throw removes one of the best immunes in the game on a class that’s really, really good.
Context, you should try thinking in it.
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If you have all of your cd, and it’s a sauvage battle (no prep etc) and equal gear.
Demo --> you win most of the time
SP --> Depends, but could be hard against a good SP.
Hunt --> A good hunter will kite you to death
Mage --> impossible to win if mage has 2 arms
DH --> Impossible to lose
DK --> Hard to lose
Feral --> Hard if the feral know how to duel a war (kiting/heal/bleed).
Boomy --> Hard fight.
Ret --> impossible to win if ret bind WoG
Monk --> 70/30 for the war.
Cham --> quite hard, but winable.
Rogue --> dépend, if he had the open and you’re not on D stance, it’s over, if you have the open, pretty win.
Based on my experience and on what i witnessed.
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Name one way ret loses to an equally geared/skilled arms in a duel. Besides reflecting hoj, because let’s be honest, you have to be a dum dum to hoj yourself.
Don’t get me wrong, arms is a very strong spec in PvP, but it rightfully loses to almost anything 1v1 if we assume similar skill and gear levels.
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How does a rogue lose a duel against arms? Just press vanish and reset, even rend won’t get you out of it, hahaha.
He did say "if you have the opener, which implies world PvP. Though he’s either fought incredibly incompetent Rogues in world PvP or Rogues that have their Vanish on CD.
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That fact is, if he vanish before you have to use trinket, it’s a win.
Arms is still the absolute worst solo class, same it has been since WOD pre patch.
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Ret complaing about Arms in 1v1? Come on, please 
Arms solo is a whole different thing than Arms in a party. Alone Arms is a free kill, with a healer they can participate in the game
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Don’t play warrior unless you do arenas or rated bgs. And arenas with healer
Depends if you have your cooldowns and the right talents . If yes he is not bad you can outlast the enemy and kill him after. Just play defensively until they finish their opening