Everyone played during launch will remember how grindy the azerite system was and how we were unable to equip ilvl increases because of neck level. During 8.0 i grinded enough ap to equip Dazar alor mythic azerite gear ( even had enough to unlock 5 ilvl increase) this made me completely burn out and resulted me to quit the game without playing 8.1.
Counter arguement for account wide essences is people spend time and effort to unlock them and it would be unfair for people to get it without doing anything. So i have a question , Do you know how much effort does it require to do mythic island 8 hours a day? Why does my effort goes into the trashcan while the ones played 8.2 has no problem.We even had to farm Magni rep on our alts to get 15 ilvl neck increase.
If you are really insisting to not make essences easier to obtain or account wide just revert back neck levels and revert back the catch ups because you are wasting our hard work as well by inflating neck levels.
Well it was never mandatory to farm it quickly. Your choice really.
This isn’t about farming quickly or not , people getting 50 neck level instantly by completing 1 quest. If they can put my hardwork into trash can like this i have every right to ask for easier way to obtain essences.
Edit : Btw it wasn’t mandatory to farm 8 hours a day but it kinda was mandatory to farm some stupid amount to be at least on par with everyone else. Because azerite gear required stupidly high neck lvl to unlock rings.
Hearing “effort” from a DH always make me giggles
But hey, you’re right. I’d like to have back also all the AP i grinded for my artifact weapon in legion, thanks. Why all that effort has to go wasted?
Is not like Paladins are that much harder to play m8.
How was it fair for a basic PC in the early 90s to cost my father like 2 full wages from a very well paid job while now I could buy the equivalent basic PC for a third/fourh of my wage from a less well paid job.
The " you got to suffer as I have" mentality is not good for building a better world
Why are you trying to turn this into measurement race?
And you are heavily twisting the topic here . People saying making essence grind acc wide will waste their hardwork while never have to grind neck level.
Again how is this related to the topic ? Go back to classic pls.
It is related in how you want others to pay the same price you paid in the past for the present.
So why can’t i get a different price for the past content while the past content i did is handed over to people with a single quest?
So you wish for a refund of the time you spent grinding azerite power in the earlier stages of the game?
No i do not , i just don’t want to grind last patch again to play current patch.
But… Why would you do that?
you did not HAVE to do it. You would play the game, casual or even a bit more and your azerite level would increase gradually.
YOU made the choice that YOU wanted those levels RIGHT NOW. instead of in a week, or in two weeks. Not blizzard. Just like Artifact power, you did not have to farm it. It was just something you could do to get a bit stronger.
So you burned yourself out knowing full well it will most likely get nerfed at some point because, guess what, they did the same in legion.
No i dont know, because i was not stupid enough to grind azerite power.
THey fixed that rather quickly, so no harm done.
Dont get me wrong i still think essences should be account wide.
but you cannot use this as an example. Not like this. I know what you’re trying to say and even to a point, i agree with you… slightly…
However, i say it again, you chose to farm, i chose to be patient and let it come a few days or few weeks later.
I seem to have misread the OP then. Sorry about that. It sounded more as if you were asking for there to not be HoA levels catchups.
If you wish to give your 5 cents about how stupid it is to not have account wide essences then there is this topic for that
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/accountwide-essences-pls
Well i’m not saying i did the intended method there. I’m fully aware that i burned myself out because of that but my point is not that. People say acc wide essences shouldn’t be in game cuz it would be unfair for the ppl who grinded it but atm neck lvl 50 is rewarded by a single quest.
It is just unfair.
Edit : Yes i did know it will get nerfs and atm what i ask is essence nerfs same as what they did previously to other progression systems.
As stupid their reasoning was, Blizzard intentionally made the Azerite grind the beginning tough, and then make it easier over time.
Personally I just think Artifact Power Systems need to be annihilated. On the grand scale, it’s not fun for everyone involved.
Same but if they do it with another progressions system why they are not doing it with essences that’s what i’m asking here.
I’ve no idea… and I can’t really understand why. They’d get the same engagement metrics, except with more characters, because they are turning it more alt friendly.
Let me tell you, it’ll be only a couple of weeks till people ask to make the cloak grind easier as well. I understand them, it’s another bad grind forever system which is 95% timegated by coalescing visions being able to be farmed by WQs + if you fail, you lose a vessel.
They will probably increase the currency instead. Because same as other systems on this xpac that thing is faulty.
Says who?
A few single individual trolls.
I farmed almost all my essences on my main. And now i am doign it again on an alt and its pissing me off. Azerite had a decent catchup mechanic, Sure i was a few levels behind sometimes. And sometimes i would choose to put in a bit of extra effort to catch up. but over all eh meh.
The thing is this:
Is bull excrement. You already earned your essence, you already did all the hard work, and noone is getting them for free. NEw players still have to grind the essence like everyone else, even tough i also believe that for them there should be a form of catchup to get it done.
They already nerfed reprequirements. But thats not enough for me.
Its just too much. This is for an alt
I have to do PVP( haha nope) for my essence, Thats never going to happen.
I have to grind Eternal palace for an essence for an alt. Only three bossess give tokens, one of them is azshara, perhaps the worst boss in the expansion and noone seems to be able to do it. It will take months to grind somethign i already have.
I need to do uldum rep for essence, I have it on my main. rank 3 because CBA to grind rep. but now i am forced to grind rep on an altbecause it is the best essence for my Character.
Then there is the memebeam, forcing me to grind mythic dungeons+7 every week. Wich is almost impossible to Pug because pugs collectively fell on their heads and cracked their skulls jjust before a M+ run.
The only essence that is PERFECT is the cruicible of flame. All you have to do , is a questline to obtain it. I am not saying it should be that easy for all of them. But its perfect. Questing is a part of the game, and having to do the same quests every time, is part of the game when starting an alt.
But that can be done in a few days, or a few weeks( think warcampain, tough the timegated followerquests are doody but eh what can you do)
Either increase the currency or create a general currency to obtain your essence. And be done with it.
I agree with everything you said, but I also think Vision of Perfection is also a well done grind (after making it easier). You only have to do Heroic Workshop like 10 times for your rank3 essence. And it’s not hard to do as well.