Ah not really. You pretty much proved you are a clown. Because by the logic of you guys; Warlock was OP in BfA S2 but garbage in S4, which is just hilarious.
You are being extremely stubborn, defying any form of pure logic and extremely resistant to learn from your mistakes. That probably explains why back in BFA you were (and still are) hardstuck on around 2,1k
Itās not like you can have a well reasoned opinion on class balancing since you were never close to being somewhat āhigh ratedā and therefore you simply cannot have a solid understanding of the game as it is.
Anyway I wonāt reply to you any further since this begins to feel like bullying a child.
Enjoy your life
On the contrary, its you guys denying pure logic. Iāve literally posted a video of Warlock being mocked on AWC stage because it would die mere seconds.
Your counter argument was a picture of personal rating of Season 2 (as you guys had no other solid evidence of Warlock rocking it out). I post the Season 4 one, where Warlocks were nowhere to be seen. Which means in your logic; Warlock was OP in S2 but garbage in S4; which is just⦠sad. Not even hilarious.
This is good though. If some other tin-foil guy comes out and says BfA S4 Locks were OP; i am gonna send them this thread and show not really, it was S2-3 Lock that was OP, not S4.
This is when i filter EVERY ranged dps class for BFA S4:
nOwHErE tO Be SeEn
They were also OP in S4. Now stop barking little doggy
Merce is all the way at 28th place for BfA S4 overall.
To somehow āproveā you are ārightā, what are you gonna do next? Are you gonna use personal rating + ranged + classes that do chaos damage as a metric? rofl. Grow up kid.
Try to reach ATLEAST 2400 after all these years and I will continue discussing with you
Wasnāt c9s mage/lock basically invincible throughout most of bfa or am I mistaken
They were running a disgusting very-high damp Frost Mage / Dest Lock duo, which got eventually walked all over thus Snutz walked in with his Rogue to replace Chanimal.
? How is that not true before demon armor addition i was like 6th highest warlock eu and i was 700 cr under r1 ladder. After they added demon armor with 8.0.5. they became insane. In first patch of bfa i remember only 1 maybe 2 locks in awc. Bfa s1 was the most damp seasons iāve played (idk like 70% damp on average?) and i actually even remember watching the clip he posted live and it was absolute demolition.
Ofc it was awful during first 4 months of bfa.
Which is S2 where i stated they were very strong on TR (imo actually their peak in bfa).
Wdym mld was obviously broken and Iām not denying that. I dont remember what pve items were enabled in S2 but atleast in S3 there were no PvE trinkets on TR. In S2 every melee abused barrier trinket and in S3 you could choose from like 3-4 viable tank trinkets. Since casters usually didnt use these trinkets while they were bis for melees and those trinkets were disabled on TR it makes casters stronger (i would even say way stronger) than on live. I actually competed 4fun at that time and played some war games on TR and the difference felt insane. So yes i believe mld was one of best setups at that time if not the best and on TR it was even better.
If theres some data of locks actually being good in s1 of bfa i would love to see it (actually they were very good against spellcleaves)
I checked S3 and 5/6 locks abused MLD.
The reason why I said it was kinda aids to play unless you abused mld is rather obvious. For example I can think of like 5 teams playing splay in R1 range in bfa s1,2 and 4. I believe in bfa S3 not a single spriest had R1. Same when it comes to lsx, personally i played lsx in R1 range in s1,2,4 but again in S3 we couldnāt kill anyone (and i believe shamans played fire ele mainly). I mean again there were people playing lsx in all these seasons and doing well and still in S3 i actually dont remember anyone playing it. Iām pretty sure I faced only 1 ret lock x on higher mmr during whole bfa. I dont remember facing boomy lock except lazer who played it in some season but dont remember which one (S4 I believe). And for rest of possible ladder setups its the same - there were 1-2 teams playing some wld, feral destro etc. in different seasons and usually under cutoff.
So on balance in s1 and S4 all the classic lock spellcleaves (mlx,splay,lsx) were strong. I dont think they were strong in S3 at all (except mld) and when it comes to S2 i have mixed feelings cos for example trident was dispelable and not many people abused raid tank trinket yet so I feel like spellcleaves were decent since i played all of them on decent rating but canāt really say how strong they were (while all of them were viable). When it comes to TR at that time melees were more squishy compared to live.
Iām not denying anything Iām just sharing my experience since I tried every spell cleave (except lsd2) in every season in bfa usually both on live and TR. But as usual iāve been washed at that time already and its definitely possible i was doing something wrong.
Not sure what am I supposed to see there. Maybe the fact there were almosz 2x more rogues in R1 range than locks in s2 and 3x more rogues in S3? Or im not sure what statistics I should check.
Maybe the issue is im still having nightmares of not having demon armor against warriors and youre telling me its my fault that i was getting oneshoted all the time and every arena ended in 1 min. I just stated facts of locks being bad at start which is something obvious yet youre saying.
So sry for denying one of worst classes at that time was broken.
To be fair isnāt there like 11 caster specs only?
6 of them being either mage or lock
hunter wasnāt apparently that good, so itās not present (9 left), ele is there, although only one, so not terribly, but not overpowered (8 left), Shadow Priests are there (7 left), Balance Druid probably were not that great either, since then thereād be at least one I guess (6 left)
and then every Mage and Lock chooses their best spec and plays that
so effectively Iād say it just shows Bala and Hunter werenāt very good, but I donāt think this necessary says anything about how exactly OP were destro or fire
donāt get me wrong, they were, but what you try to prove it with, doesnāt really make sense to me as stands my explanation
Well I agree and thatās what I said. Good for 3 seasons and a half.
I suppose I greatly misunderstood your post then. For some reason I thought you meant high rated lock were there because of cheese starts before 8.0.5 and then they were bad all BfA etc etc. If I re read your post now Iām wondering what made me think that.
I guess I was kind of baited by the fact that your avatar looks exactly like the one of that other Warlock who has no clue how good Warlock was so somehow my brain thought you had the same reasoning.
In any case, my apologies !
And so I wonāt comment on the rest of your post because I totally agree and said most of it myself before.
People on a srs note said that Warlock wasnāt broken in BFA since season 2? People hiding pillars and w8 hight dampening, cuz they was unkillable. Kekw Oh donāt u remember warlock s4 - when they killed people in single coil? Coil - pew pew 2 CB - dead.
nop i dont i didnt play back then and just because warlock was āopā like everyone else who played bfa say so doesnāt mean it should be poopoo for other expansions at least for people who havenāt played back then
Warlock won both AWC lans and was played in blizzcon grand final, clueless.
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