Hello:) and sorry in advance for my english, it is not my native language.
As the title says I would like to know if there are people out there who even bother pushing high keys without dom sockets.
I started playing WoW during covid and have been hooked to push keys in my free time ever since but as I am pushing higher keys it is getting more and more obvious that I miss those sockets. It even got so bad that I get kicked from +21 and above keys for ‘‘no dom sockets lul’’. Also the group I used to push keys with is starting to drop me for other dps with dom shards/sockets etc. Raiding is sadly not an option for me because I cannot commit to a raid schedule due to nightshifts.
I am on the verge of canceling my sub because it leaves such a sour taste in my mouth that I cannot really compete with players who are wearing a full set of raid gear and maxed out dom sockets/shards.
I would also really like to know how this situation was in Legion and BfA and if there is any chance that in the future M+ only players will not have a disadvantage in M+ if they dont raid, otherwise there would be no more reason for me to play the game bc why bother playing if I cannot even compete at the highes key levels.
please let me know
thanks
you’re not the only one having this problem, but Blizzard is not likely to make m+ gear better than raid gear.
I’ve concluded the game is just pointless for pugging after heroic sylvanas and around ~18 m+. The mythic bosses beyond the first 3 to 5 are almost impossible (and the lockouts are still unique even if they are cross realm), and m+ needs almost perfect execution after 18 especially if you don’t overgear it with mythic raiding because that should give around +10% stats which is gigantic.
imo it is not about making M+ gear equal or better than raid gear, that would not really make any sense at all. It is more about not putting people on a huge disadvantage in M+ (and PvP also) just because they do not raid.
Raid gear should be BiS for raid, M+ gear should be BiS for M+ and pvp gear BiS for PvP… would that not make a lot more sense?
I think they just consider it connected to being a guild team. They seem to be considering anything above level 15 to be mainly the realm of teams that are stable. And stable teams are usually in guilds that run mythic raiding anyway.
Having to wear 2 sets of gear for PVE would put most people off if you ask me.
Most players don’t push keys in your range, you’re like 0.01% of the playerbase. These guys like using their raid gear in m+ and vice versa.
So WoW has 3 pillars of endgame… but only raiding allows someone to be competitive in all 3 types of endgame. Isn’t that obviously a big flaw in the game?
Ion is a raider. He has to get on with the times. Most players nowadays don’t care to be in organized guilds that act like having a job that need you to punch a card every few hours in the same week.
Not sure how you arrived at that. Mythic raid gear doesn’t always have versa which is needed for pvp and pvp gear is 259 compared to 252 for most mythic bosses.
Also, you can generally get 252 easily from m+ which is a good if somewhat slow way to gear and allows you to be “competitive” in m+
You are probably right about that, but I heard that some PvP players are getting forced to raid as soon as they hit a certain rank… anyways I am way to new to seriously comment on PvP.
Ofcourse the gear from M+ alone can make you somewhat competetive, it is more than enough to push +15++ but in my case that 252 ilvl gear is not strong enough for +20+21 keys.
For example when I apply to a +21 key and get invited, people inspect my gear and kick me for another dps with shards/sockets.
Hi! I have 6/8 timed on +20, no dom sockets, no raid gear. But I’m a healer, so it’s a bit less noticable there. +20s and thereabouts are perfectly timeable without any raid gear on anyone.
But dom sockets do matter, and they’re very noticable on DPS players, I’m afraid. So while you can do +20s, your performance without them will suffer.
M±only players always had a disadvantage. As much as I hate that, I don’t see it changing anytime soon. However, I’m pretty content in doing keys in the +20 range, don’t care much about pushing much higher (will try, obviously, but no biggie if I can’t).
that is why I feel guilds should be crossrealm, like communities are now, whit Mythic raids not having an id eighter, there realy is no point in it now anymore.
Is it actually the case in PvP this tier? Most dom pieces don’t have versatility the PvP gear needs, they’re lower ilvl unless you get them from mythic Kel/Sylvanas and on top of that the effect are halved in arena. From what I have seen on the PvP ladders, none of the high-rated players actually seem to wear the domination pieces in their PvP gearsets even if they do run some raids.
Alright, my knowledge seems to be very outdated in that regard lol, sorry for spreding bs.
But in M+ it is definitely required to have domination pieces to be even considered in high keys. Wich for me just seems so wrong because raiding has nothing to do with M+…
yea it pretty much needs to be mythic ilvl to make up for the 7 ilvl loss from not using duelist pvp gear.
I admire how chill you are about the fact that you will always be behind in performance compared to players with a full set of shards/sockets, but yeah as a healer you will probably not feel it that much.
For me the only fun I can get out of the game is when I push higher and higher keys. Imo there is nothing more entertaining than doing crazy routes and coordinate interrupts/CCs etc.
I dislike being forced to rush hence one of the reasons I dropped out of SL.
Crazy people demanding dom sockets at lower and lower keys sounds about right for the toxic place M+ is, caused by the timers and affixes etc.
Timers are also a sure sign of bad/lazy design mechanics. Adding a timer to something is just admitting you can’t really be bothered.
Interresting opinion, because I couldn’t enjoy M+ more than i do xd
For me the only sign of bad/lazy design is the fact that Raid gear (shards) is BiS for M+, while having nothing to do with M+
I’m tanking 19s at the moment without a single piece of domination armour. I could do 20s and above but my score is a wee bit low for pugs.
I’m not interested in farming raids to do dungeons.
It’s easy to be chill, when I play with people in similar shoes, who don’t raid either. We simply don’t care if we could be better, because raiding isn’t worth the trouble. We’re never ever going to reach the highest keys, and not because of lack of gear, but because we’re simply not that good, nor dedicated enough.
So why bother? We reach what we reach, while having fun together. What other people do, that’s their business. We simply want to push ourselves, we’re not competing with others. If we’d want to compete, we’d sign up for the Last Stand Tournament, and deck out some chars in whatever gear we deem fit - and probably fail spectacularly.
Well, I made a character on the tournament realm, decked it out in similar gear as my main (same pieces, but higher ilevel, because I can only equip 252 m+ items on the tournament realm). Went to the dummies, blasted them for ~10 minutes.
Then I went back to the vendors, popped on some dom sockets and raid gear, went back to the same dummies, blasted them for another 10 minutes.
The difference was about 1k dps. That’s quite massive, while the ilevel difference is about 2. So even as a healer, dom sockets are a noticable performance boost. How it affects healing, I don’t know yet, haven’t found a healing dummy, and hasn’t been in a key yet on the tournament realm.
But on live, I still don’t care. Raiding is not worth my time, and since even if I raided, I’d still play with the same people, we still wouldn’t be anywhere near the top keys, I can safely ignore dom sockets, not care, and be chill. That’s the trick, really: accepting your limitations, and finding people with similar limitations and goals to play with.
Pugs… pugs will never be like that.
Thankfully, that’s totally doable without dom sockets and raid gear. You just have to accept that you’re pushing higher and higher compared to yourself, not compared to everyone else. And also, stop pugging. Build a network of friends, do keys with them.