How on earth did all thoose goblins get to Draenor?

The horde goblins came with us but the ones who served the iron horde or the legion? They obviously have been there for a while but how did they get there?

Something must have had the same stench of money…

There were some goblins that still followed Garrosh during/after Siege of Orgrimmar. The ones in Draenor might be the remnants of those that also followed him there.

The simple answer to this question is that Orcs, Ogres and Goblins are a classic combination that just works well together. They are there because they offer an aesthetic variety. I doubt Blizzard’s writers have spared them a single thought.

WoW’s world building has never been super-cohesive, but it used to be colourful and interesting. Nowadays? Superficial and void of any substance.

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That’s actually it. They were the Blackfuse Company; followers of siegecrafter Helix Blackfuse, loyal to Garrosh and it was they who set the Iron Horde up with the iron star coal engines that powered their war machine.

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I think the question here really is how, and not why. Most people haven’t read that horrible novel that sent Garrosh to Draenor, me included. I only read a summary back then. And there certainly weren’t any goblins in the story where Garrosh reached Draenor with his dragon ally he murdered. So… how did they get there?

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I guess OP knew this. But how could they get into Draenor according to the timeline and established backstory? That’s the question.
Garrosh was alone sent though Time and Space into this “Draenor II”. Alone with Kairozdormu (RIP). Not with Goblins and such support.

The guess we had (as mere speculation), is that Garrosh did set up the Iron Horde alone in Draenor II, he got built his Dark Portal by using the knowledge of revealed and enslaved Shadow Council, maybe he helped some armour and technology improvements from his own brain cells (lol, this is where this solution starts to derail)
Then, he could have sent back troops on Azeroth to rally his Dragonmaw and Blackfuse loyalists, bring back these goblins on Draenor II - there they extremely quickly enhance the Iron Horde and teach blackrock orc engineers, then, and then solely, the open-battlefield “Iron Vanguard” starts in-game and in the story.
/shrug

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Maybe these came with the second influx of reinforcements that came with the Iron March.
This is all mere speculation, but maybe as Zaela marched out, the way to Draenor worked in both ways and this allowed a notable goblin presence to come marching in.

But that would be directly before we went there ourselves, though, so goblin help wouldn’t account for much of anything. Indeed, we’d have to assume that the goblin activities are about as old as our garrison.

Not saying you are wrong, just pointing out once again how poorly WoD’s basic premise was thought through.

The Goblins being included in the Draenor Orc clans is one of the most abhorrent choices ever made by Blizzard.

Replacing the tribal aesthetic of the old Orcs with a pseudo-Warhammer Ork cyberpunk theme was horrendous.

What a wasted opportunity to see them at their prime. The worst thing about it was that through the Iron Horde, this “Goblinisation” became all-encompassing and many of the clans just looked identical to one another all stuffed in their awful Goblin lockbox armour.

Especially the Blackrock, they became the Goblin aesthetic.

Yuck.

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bam!
Goblin potential is now a thang!

I also prefer the old Shamanistic Outland style and their adobe dwellings, reminiscent of WC1(!), but I’m allright with the Iron Horde theme as it is, but yeah….major plotholes there. But tbh, as for the Blackrock, it kind of fits imo…to an extent atleast, this is the clan that forged the mythical Doomhammer after all.
Mysticism that was totally absent in Warlords of Draenor…

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Highlight on mythical and not ultra-technological punk.

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Wibbly wobbly, timey wimey stuff.
Yeah, it hardly stands on its own, but oh well…it’s WoD.

I wasn’t entirely against it. Just the exaggerated bits of it.
In all, i think Blackrock Foundry had a few cool elements in it.
I liked the angle about an orc clan that revered blacksmiths, and bonded their craft with elemental stuff.
The whole Iron Star bits seemed to go a tad beyond what was necessary, but in all, there was certain elements that seemed appealing enough.

I also preferred the more tribal looks of the Bleeding Hollow clan (was a bit fatigued regarding the Frostwolf/Thunderlord cavemen theme), but i think that the industrialist approach for the Blackrock Clan, had several good moments too.

In all, it was the Warsong the one that ended up seeming bland and uninteresting.

Yes, that was why I brought it up :stuck_out_tongue:
It doesn’t fit in the portrayal of the Blackrock clan…although, was there even a Doomhammer in AU Draenor? I don’t think so, so we should perhaps take into account that certain events and things were different?

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