Can I get anything done without having a full mythic clearing raid guild or not? Im talking about actually having a goal to push high keys, not casual m+ farming. I bought the game few days ago and I just noticed how ridiculously better ilvl in mythic raids drop for the small fraction of the player base and the rest of us gets screwed. Am I missing something? Like can m+ players get some better gear than heroic raiding gear from vault (barely that)?
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yes if you clear a +9 key
But question is why do you need that gear if you have no intention going into mythic raiding or running +10 keys or higher ?
Gear is a means to access content.
If you’re not playing said content , why need the gear ?
How is someone doing +11 keys ,have an advantage over you running casual keys ? You will never encounter each other , so there is no advantage.
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So why don’t give all people Mythic gear in +8 Keys?
With your logic they will don’t meet in +11keys anyways.
+9 key seems to give me 613 dungeon loot and 619 vault, according to wowhead. How does it compare to 639 mythic gear? I fail to understand what are you trying to say. Im trying to find my goal in this game or I will just quit, if I wont find one. I dont care about others, but I need others to get anything done in this game, so what are you trying to say exactly?
if you are even semi serious about m+ you basicly have to find a guild with at lwast 4 mythic bosses on farm.
M+ does seem to have had the short end of the stick.
A t8 delve is somehow considered equal to a +7 key?
Heroic raid beats several keys and heroic raid isn’t that hard.
hes basicly telling oyu to “git gud” 
but with the ridiculous tunign of this season its moot point for majority of “mid-core” players.
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as current tunig is proving majoirty of people who barely got their +20 late in season are incapable of doing +10s - because without mythci gear - its just impossible barrier for them .
some still delude themselves - but soon will stop once they relaise how far behind on gear they will be in couple of week when for +10 it will be badicly be 630+ orgtfo .
and without mythic raiding - you are not getting there.
the ones defending this system the most are people who never plan to do anything higher then +10 in first place. but they want to gate as many players as possible form doing those +10 .
cant wait for when in couple of weeks +10 boosting for portals will be abundant around. all those jummy tokens sales eh blizz ? you miss the sweet time of CM boosting ?
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You’re kind of stepping on a slippery slope now, getting from challenging content to “blizz wants you to buy tokens”.
People like to play with equally geared and skilled players. If lots of them are “undergeared” for a +10 then why don’t they…you know…play among themselves?
I’m also fine with the alternative. When you ding 80 the postmaster just hands you a full bis set and you can push whatever endgame content you desire.
At that point why even ding 80? Choose a spec, a dungeon, and a key level and off you go.
All that’s needed is to actually balance the reward so that the time spent on each activity, be it delves, pvp, raids or m+ offers roughly the same reward.
My estimate is that delve t8 is equivalent to a +3 key in terms of difficulty.
We get Mythic rewards in the vault providing we do weekly 10s. Got two pieces so far.
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Congratulations. You are one of the 4% players who clear +10 Keys. The game is made for u special snowflake. All other 96% need to get gud i think right?
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It seems the new process is to run delves for the bountiful gear, then simply outgear the content until you can a +10
You cant outgear the content. You are stuck there untill they chance the crest and loot from +9 dungeons and +10 vault
This. People want the best gear ever just to do low level stuff. Why you need the best gear for easy content?
Why you wanne gate keep gear?
let people farm there Mythic gear in +8M with the Vault.
Even with 630+ Gs they will never Raid Mythic but the chance is higher that they can clear +10 and have fun
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Highest gear must be awarded to people who do the highest difficulty because this is why you need it at the first place
Gate keeping is wrong. Even if all players got 640Gs there will be a low % who can clear the Mythic Raid or Run +20 Dungeons.
Gear doesnt make you a good player but gear let you feel good. And when you feel good you play a game
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thats pure nonsense.
mot player progress purely by overgearing and bruteforcing stuff.
atm blizzard made it impossible for them .
soon people who didnt push since launch will be unable to get into any +10 keys because of gear discrapency and pugs demanding 630+ itlv.
whole progression got basily broken into players who raid mythic and who dont.
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So as somebody, who just bought the game, I dont have to even bother with m+ pushing? :X