And that doesn’t change anything that they were running away to avoid confrontation with main army, to the point that two leaders almost sacrificed themselved for it.
There was also no reason to actually invade the city, since all they needed was to destroy the ships. But they pressed forward, sacrificed their own men for that and were fearful of confronting trule might of Zandalari.
Well they still have deadly range, and Jaina’s ship was takin a huge blows. I highly doubt any of Alliance ship could compare with that. And those weren’t catapults but ballistas. I’m not a specialist when it comes to missles, but weren’t canon balls more about imact rather than reach?
Because no other nation has such a big numbers, it was hinted that nelves had as big population, and maybe if you’d combine every human nation that was left. Just saying that I haven’t seen such a massive army shown before, even Horde forces in WoT were not this big.
Anyway thanks for response I like discussing with you even if I disagree at times.
It does, there was no need to face that army because killing their army was not the focus of the attack. If their plan would have worked then the army would’ve been useless to begin with.
The point wasn’t to destroy the ships, it was to force an unconditional surrender at sword point.
If not then we could have sunk the ships at any time, furthermore, we could have just sunk the ships and divert the Alliance navy into attacking somewhere else like Quel’thalas or Orgrimmar to either secure all the Eastern Kingdoms or ending the war by trying to capture Sylvanas in Org’ again.
That could be true I guess. I’ll concede this point then.
Wait, so the Zandalari have a bigger force after every that has happened then the entire Horde forces during the WoT? I highly doubt that. The Zandalari have spent up a lot of ground forces throughout this expansion, you could perhaps get away with saying that pre-expansion but not in 8.1.
The Zandalari sure hold some power especially onsidering the rest f the rat pack…
The Kul tiran have greater power but imited to their nation and the seas.
Now the title of King of Stormind and it’s military power is something on a different level scale although it isn’t the first time Jaina Proddmore intervene physicaly or verbally in meeting trying to manipulate our different Kings and dissapear when it is convenient for her although for the fleet it was more than the right move this time.
Same goes for Greymane it’s been twice now than he takes action and label them not only on behalf of the whole Alliance but aswell of young King Anduin still learning how to be a fair king though to be completely partial both time where for the good so he pass.
Those two individuals are to be checked closely and carefully on their true motivations and goal, there is no need of a grey eminence or warmongers in our ranks.
The Rendorei and more so lady Aleria are amazing indeed and they integrate themselves wel and quickly, your kind are really an evolution and superior to the other elves on par with the Quel’dorei and far superior than the obsolete others degenerate.
Good luck doing it without disabling massive army that is now super pissed.
Well you’re allowed for it, but it was my impression after doing the quests on Horde side when Zandalari army was pressing to Nazmir. This is why I said I haven’t seen such a big numbers since War of Throns and I’d even dare to say that I saw more Zandalari than Horde soldiers.
We will have to see, one would say that Zandalari forces were spent after first initial questing with Zandalar Forever closure. But then I saw this massive army During Tides of Vengeance to the point I was quite amazed by it’s scale and don’t recall seeing anything like that before. Alliance did killed some of their population, but that bulk of an army is still there because they returned when Alliance started to retreat.
That is why they sent the forces into Nazmir, if they didn’t do that then the plan would have most likely changed to the naval forces to be far bigger then what originally happened.
And if the plan of getting Rasta’ to surrender worked then the army would have also stood down.
And I find that hard to believe, if they had such a dominating force then how did the Blood Trolls ever get so close to the seal as they did?
But this is when I go back to the “where did all these troops comes from which they didn’t have before”.
If the Zandalari has such a vast military presence then how did they struggle against the Blood Trolls and Zul? Why did they need the Horde’s help when they alone could have a bigger army then the Horde did when they mustered against the Night Elves?
The Zandalari having an army to the size you think or suggest leaves a lot more questions as to where they were before.
They still pushed hard into the capital to the point where they were on the lower levels of the main pyramid itself. For a nation with such a massive army then it is very odd that they were able to go in as deep as the Blood Trolls and Zul did.
Faithless Sethrak, Mythrax, Undead, traitor trolls, blood trolls and Mogu supported Zul. I dare to say those forces were bigger than the alliance assault even. Since all parties were army sized. And Mythrax > Jaina
Hey, Trollboy, I have a question regarding Zandalari and you’re the most knowledgable.
I can’t read all of this thread nor do I know if we have established that already nor do I know if I am asking something dumb.
Can Rastakhan be blamed for Zul’s invasions during Cata and MoP?
I mean, is it fine for the Alliance to hold all the Zandalari responsible for all the problems with had with them previously? For example, trying to ressurect the Thunder King?
Or is it something akin to blaming the Alliance as a whole for the actions of, say, the Scarlet Crusade?
But then we go back to the point where if Zul’s forces were that big then they would have caused massive damage to the defending Zandalari forces. Thus the idea of their ground forces still being in such high numbers would be ridiculous at best and impossible at worse.
Zandalari ships have higher range and can position their balistas at every place and angle. But cannons should logically cause more damage once the ships start to fire at each other the classical fashion like.
I don’t know they seem to be as good as cannon Balls, as seen from their one shot of the StormdWind Fleet chasing Talanji and later the hole made in Jaina’s ship that almost took out Gelbin.
Not to mention wouldn’t their superior Range mean a lot of ships would be lost on Kul’tiras side before a so called classic confrontation?
I have to say that my head has sincerely started hurting from this thread. The sheer amount of non-lore supported statements in an effort to paint a certain picture is killing me.
I like discussing with you even if I disagree at times.