How the actual F is this an "improved" Soul Swap?

Classes Warlock
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Hey guys,
As you know Blizzard class design team has been so kind as to “fix” our GCD problems by ADDING ADDITIONAL GCD’s!
Who in their right mind thinks making Soul Swap take existing DOTs from a target and copying them, adding 1 additional global, as well as having a pretty major precondition would reduce GCD’s or otherwise buff the talent as they stated they would like to?
Worst of all is that I just found out it doesn’t even copy all your DOT’s! Only the 3 it already applied in the previous iteration WITHOUT HAVING TO COPY AND SWAP THEM FROM TARGET TO TARGET!

Blizzard even YOU can do f…ing better.

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Just wanted to tell I agree. This change it’s total trash

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I too agree to the point I am now rerolling a zugzuger of melee seeing as this game favours melee over casters xD 15 sec cd on interrupts and we now get given this rubbish.

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most melee can reduce it now to 12 if they the dont miss the kick~

Ah and everyone who cant get over this “we want to reduce GCDs with this change”, it was just the wrong date for it, it was planned on 10.x for the 1.4.2023.

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I just dont quite understand how can somebody make a modification, “test it on PTR over 2 weeks” then put it in production with full of bugs… Soulswap is the best example

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Everything makes sense if they dont play their own game.

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Also would it be so bad to make it a pvp talent only? There some pvp talents that are easily pve like Rapid contagion, deathbolt or even call Observer. This would be huge in late M+. Why is noone talking about his.

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dude, the developer is just making things worse right now, i do hardly see any improvements soon.

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As if trying to get a cast of wasnt bad enough. Also “copys the dots” it says but it dosnt copy all the dots, just the 3 rofl… bad wording ontop of bad design, well done devs.

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Well, 4, however what is funny that applying those four now (on second target) takes two GCDs (provided you have all of them already up on first target) as SS takes one GCD for copy second for exhale. While in past it was two GCDs as well, SS + siphon life…

Simply put, even if they remove all bugs it’s still objectively worse, much worse, yet it was worded like they wanted to help us.

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Hey,

I agree, the new soul swap is utterly caca. It does not declutter anything and the 30 sec CD on it after using ONCE is maxim garbage
It could have been useful without that CD but … having both CD and shard cost … hard pass.

More on this … it doesnt even enter CD it remains available but doesn’t do anything. Adding a cd on it wont help either. Just remove it please.

If as a dev you want reduce the GCD clutter for warlocks you have a few options:

  • either remove the 30 sec cd from soul swap
  • restore Drain soul dots refresh when in execute phase (yeah i know i know doesnt really solve the issue for 80% of the mobs life but i have to try)
  • have a talent point that allows you to add Corruption + Agony or Agony + corruption (just like you have on Priest - don’t worry we gave up on class identity when you invented Malefic Rapture)
  • have a talent point that allows to extend the duration of the dots (like previous Shadowlands tier set). there are a few points in the talent tree that are garbage at the moment (Harvester of Souls , Soul Swap)
  • if you don’t want to change the talent tree then change Corruption to refresh the dots on the target by 0.4 sec. I feel like current single target build for Affliction is like typing a 500 pages novel in 4 minutes.

Sorry for the salt, hope they read this.

Shywawa

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I kinda force myself to believe if they can do bettet, but i dont think so.

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I came looking for this post.

Soul swap was fine imo. Now it feels so bad to press i often avoid it. But i will rather avoid playing the spec until this is sorted out. It feel outrageously bad in its new state.

I actually enjoyed the previous iteration, and dokt understand why they would need to change it.

If you really want to help affli om gcd’s, make for instance agony or corruption an aoe up to x targets in a small area, or something else? A lot of room for creativity, but dont overcomplicate it like the new iteration if soul swap…

Even having the previous iteration with 2 charges would be amazing.

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It’s improvement for warriors so some pesky dots wont clutter their GUI.

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I don’t have the same issues with Soul Swap as you seem to have, but I agree this is a worse version of the spell than the one we got at the start of Dragonflight.

My Soul Swap copies Agony, Corruption, UA, Siphon Life and Haunt. When I do the inhaling, it actually removes UA from the target, before I’ve exhaled on a new target. It’s weird.

And when I exhale, it copies Agony, Corruption, UA, Siphon Life and Haunt. But then the icon of the spell bugs out, it doesn’t display a CD at all. I can’t reuse it, it’s in CD, but I have to guess when the 30s are up. Logging on/off-Reloading-switching talents/specs doesn’t solve the issue either. My Weakaura tracking Soul Swap has the same issue.

I think the first version of Soul Swap was good, it just should have applied at a minimum Siphon Life as well. Maybe Haunt and Shadow’s Embrace as well.
I agree removing the soul shard cost to soul swap would be nice, and inhaling DoTs on the initial target should be off GCD.

Moving UA around with Soul Swap is the only way to switch targets without having to re-spend shards to stack Malefic Affliction. They fixed a “bug” friday evening where if you moved UA around it didn’t remove your stacks of malefic Affliction, and that was just amazing, I had hoped it was intended. You kept your Malefic Affliction stacks as long as UA didn’t expire, casting it on a new target while a previous one was active preserved them.

Please Blizzard, allow us to move UA around with or without Soul Swap and keep our stacks of Malefic Affliction. Or make our Malefic Affliction stacks linger on us for 10/15s when UA expires, to give us time to reapply it on a new target.

Or, and I think that would be the best thing, reduce Malefic Affliction stacks to just 1. Having to spend 4 shards to proc Dread Touch is way too expensive, and it makes switching target very complicated and expensive. Soul Swap doesn’t fix it, because when that target will die, UA will expire, and we will have to respend 4 shards all over again.
That’s one of the biggest issue for Affliction in PVE right now, how rigid Malefic Affliction and Dread Touch are to play with.

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Ok, now we’re talking, Soul Rot, Phantom Singularity (and Vile Taint) can be copied with Soul Swap. And Soul Rot is finally buffed by our Mastery, nearly doubling the value of the Soul Rot talent branch.
So now this becomes a real powerful CD on 2 targets cleave, it’s still not as powerful as Havoc with all its talents selected, but shouldn’t be that far behind.

I’m still really bothered by the fact that Soul Swap moves UA from the first target to the second. It makes things so complicated.

With how Soul Swap works, you’d rather first apply your DoT on the secondary target and then copy onto the main, longest-living, target, to not have to cast UA multiple times and lose your Malefic Affliction stacks.

It’s counter-intuitive, and also, in most scenarios, the secondary target pops after you’ve engaged the main target (Sennarth, Kurog, Dathea, and somewhat Eranog).
So if you do copy your UA, it will go on the new target, and it will die, and we will lose our Malefic Affliction stacks. Which is the core of the problem.

Maybe that’s their way of “making up” for the forced loss of Malefic Affliction stacks with the use of Soul Swap. It copies more DoTs, so it makes it less expensive in a way. And I suppose they expect the Soul Shard refund from UA and Drain Soul on Death to build Malefic Affliction stacks back up.

It seems to me that the spec has become even more complicated than before, which it really didn’t need.

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Ah and Soul Swap still has a bug.

If nou never exhale the DoT, and the 10 s buff expires, Soul Swap does go on CD, but there’s the CD display issue, where the icon doesn’t show you that the spell is on CD.

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Can we just revert the change here? Soul Swap was the only way to get stuff up on while being sweated on by all these zuggers in soloshuffle.

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