I just reached ilvl 455 with my resto druid and it’s my 2nd week as healer in mythics+.
I’m actually running Prosperity, Cultivation and Photosynthesis and my stats are 12,6k int, 17% crit and 18% mastery/haste.
Yesterday I ran a couple of mythics (usually joining +8) and they went well (not amazing, just ok) and I wanted to know if you have some tips to deal more easily with Grievous or to help me improve.
I was thinking about picking Prosperity + Soulf of the Forest + Photosynthesis or Abundance + Cultivation + Germination.
Also never use germination in pve and never use prosperity without soul of the forest and spirit of preservation minor.
This is very interesting because right now I’m using properity with Cultivation and Photosynthesis. Maybe I can get that extra heal that I need changing Prosperity for Cenarion Ward. I have never use that talent but I guess that this week I should save it for removing the Grievous or for bursting the tank right?
Yeah cenarion ward does massive healing and also adds to your mastery.
But if you feel that you’re still struggling with keeping people alive then just go prosperity soul of the forest, a single sotf regrowth will top someone from 0 to 100, only problem with this is that you become a healbot since it’s hard to get dps in when you’re relying more on active healing than passive hots.
Yeah cenarion ward does massive healing and also adds to your mastery.
I’m gonna give it a try later in the afternoon and let’s see how it works
But if you feel that you’re still struggling with keeping people alive then just go prosperity soul of the forest, a single sotf regrowth will top someone from 0 to 100, only problem with this is that you become a healbot since it’s hard to get dps in when you’re relying more on active healing than passive hots.
Gonna test this too, even if I can’t DPS too much but I think that the main problem of this build/strategy will be the mana management. I noticed that my mana runs out because of this week affixes.
Prosperity is a trap. It can be used for very very specific situations, but it is the least HPS talent in that row. Cenarion ward is the most used talent for m+ and the most useful while abundance is good for temple of sethralis for example.
You can read the article about the debate on questionablyepic where it is all mathed out but basically people think that by taking the talent, you get 2 swiftmends. The trap is that they dont recharge independently so after spending the first ones, you will only get the couple seconds reduce on swiftmend cooldown, which is not much.
Just use Cenarion ward, cultivation, spring blossoms, photosynthesis.
Those are the generic talents for any given week.
As for how you deal with grievous? Heal more aggressively than other weeks. Make sure you rejuv up the group if they take aoe damage and that they are all standing in efflorescence if possible for mastery stacks. Wild growth up too if more ppl are damaged and then spot heal specific people above the treshhold instead of trying to regrowth x and then y person, but in the meantime grievous stacks up on them each if you dont top them one at a time.
Feel free to also use tranq to get out of situations and innervate too.
For tank and st debuff healing cenarion ward will do wonders.
first tier > Go Abundance. Reduced cost of Regrowth+ crit chance is massive.
–Also if you regularly keep rejuv on all targets ; your regrowth becomes cheaper and crits much often.
-i also suggest few stacks of mana potions with this build.(1 min for each potion so you can get 30+ mana pot with you for each run) If you have a rusher type tank friend; this build may drain your mana in the long one ; but most efficient one in terms of mana/utility.
2nd tier:Hands down best utility is ; wild charge; you can both use it as gap closer; or leaping into your friend to run away from mobs.
3rd tier : Mass entanglement if you are only druid in party; go for typoon if you have a druid tank with you.
4rd Tier : Since you’ll be playing with Abundance talent from 1st tier; Best utility is here is incarnation:tree of elune.
5rd Tier: I use inner peace talent here; it greatly reduces Tranquility CD which is an good burst aoe heal; it also stacks up to 5x times. ıf you want to do go steady heal ; and your group is full of ranged ; you can go spring blossoms; so you can have steady good aoe heal.
I managed to down +15 several times with this build. Good luck.
I agree withe Phasedruid on this comment. It is completely wrong. You can time 15s with it but you can also time 15s without any talents and azerite traits if you want to. Does not mean you should do it.
Regarding SotF/Prosp vs. Cult/CW: SotF is ONLY used for more bursty healing and the ability to weave in more dps. Cult + CW is way more hps but requires you to set up your healing a bit more (mainly pre hot for mastery stacks).
If you are struggling with healing: Definetly go Cult / CW and practice how to heal properly. From there you can switch to SotF if you dont need the additional healing from Cult/CW and want to add in more damage.
You are joking about this? you are telling my guide is wrong? while you are telling it is possible to do +15 on time Without any talent and azerite traits? are you trolling?Ah ,yes you are, you arent even a druid.
I just checked your armory to be sure; and tadaa your talents are nearly same as me. You are just annoyed because you dont want anyone to be efficient.You are just confusing his mind. He is 455 geared and we all know that people dont even regularly get invites for +15 for unless they are your friend or boost group.Your ego boasting on forums is disgusting. Besides my mana potion and abundance talent advice was far more useful than your advices.
It is very possible to time a 15 without azerite and talents lmao.
Our talents are similar because I’m in my raid spec. There is not a single situation where I would use inner peace, incarn or abundance in m+.
Reduced cost of regrowth is irrelevant and the crit caps out at 30% in 5 man content whereas you could be taking cenarion ward for massive hps and an extra hot for your mastery.
Agreed
Theres only 2 dungeons where I run mass entangle over typhoon and thsoe are kings rest and mechagon where I cant trust my team to deal with minions of zul or shock bots on aerial oppression unit. An aoe interrupt + a way to displace mobs is way better than an aoe root in most situations.
Why would you ever sacrifice a party wide hot that adds to your mastery for a 3 min burst healing cd? What are you going to do when incarn isnt up?
Once again why take a shorter tranq cd over an aoe hot that adds to your mastery? What will you do when tranq isnt up?
Your talents are built around burst healing in an environment where you need consistent healing, with these talents you might as well just afk in a corner when tranq and incarn arent up.
And surprisingly you didnt even go all the way into burst healing because you didnt pick flourish lmao.
I’m a druid and I’ve done some keys so I might chime in.
First row: The most standard talent in CW (strong heal, mastery stack). Abundance can be taken for aoe intensive, high tyrannical bosses like ToS and TD but it’s not really needed anymore. Didn’t run in months. Prosperity is mostly a meme but can be strong(er) when paired with sotf. Its mostly a dps option (more burst heal so you can spend more time in cat).
You’ll nearly always take Typhoon over Mass Entanglement as you can use it as an emergency interrupt, a displacement effect and much more. Most of the time, a single root is just as good as Mass Entanglement.
5th row: Cultivation is standard (paired with CW), sotf is the dps/low mastery option. Tree is never (!) used (outside of mdi like setting).
6th row: Always Spring Blossoms. Tranq is weak in 5man content. Sure, its a strong heal but there are not many situations where all 5 people are taking damage evenly. reducing a not so important ability is not much use. SB is superior in every (!) realistic scenario.
@Enumar: Your tips are (a bit/lot) off. If you time 15s with these talents, I’m confident you can easily time even higher keys with a better talent setup.
1-No you cant. Unless you are boosted.Stop Trolling.
2-If reduced cost of regrowth is irrevelant ant there is crit cap in 5 mans; why there are ‘‘crit based corrupted enchs’’ ? in game? Are you sure about that? Maybe you should ask blizzard hmm?
3- if your team arent interrupting, it is not really your job to interrupt, You should be far from enemy whenever you are able.Therefore, switching between typhoon and mass entanglement is good.Druid tanks can pick typhoon too.There is no need to double typhoon enemies when you have druid tank with you ; in fact, if you reall need to kite THAT much. Thay may mean you pulled too much, or picked wrong add group.
4-Druids dont have any kind of burst healing unless you spec into Incarn talent.And It synergies very well with abundance talent and very helpful when you need to heavy heal on some bosses.(BL+ potion pop to bring down hard bosses)
5-i wrote the reason above. As i said. And to add ; i pointed out that photosyntesis is very good for single target heal.Therefore i dont use flourish.
And let me suprise you ; i constantly throw rejuvs and regrowth’s in m+ and i rarely stop for drinking in m+
You maybe suprised by when i said this; but actually i was advised by another rog(he said his main was druid) few months ago, to try out abundance talent build and this combo. And i found out its extremely effective.So that’s why im suggesting this here.
I really cba writing out another long answer dude just check icyveins or the druid discord and stop spreading misinformation.
3 people in this thread with massively higher keys done than you have told you you’re wrong, you’re choosing a weird hill to die on.
Also you you should never be far away from the group, when you’re not healing you should be in catform doing dps. There’s actually nothing I dislike more than healers who think their only job in a group is to keep people topped.
1- You can but you shouldn’t because it’s bad. It was just mentioned to show that just because you can do something with a given set of talents, traits etc. doesn’t mean that it is the ideal choice.
2- Reduced cost is relevant if mana is an issue (e.g. last boss TD, last two bosses ToS) but generally CW is better in every regard as it is a super strong hot that also adds a mastery stack. There is no crit cap though. I assume he wanted to say that you can only get 5 stacks of Abundance (5 targets, 5 Rejuvs) which results in 30% additional crit whereas you can get more in raids.
3- It is not you main job, but it is good if you run out of kicks or you need something to knock mobs out of sanguine etc. Mass Root simply doesn’t add anything. If mobs are engaged it breaks instantly so it’s only used to control patrolling mobs which can also be done with a single root on the “leader” mob.
4- We have our mastery which is more than enough to heal through all kinds of damage. Cultivation also grants you a permanent healing bonus (equal to mastery) whereas Incarn gets you 15% extra healing (nice), stronger Rejuvs (nice but doesn’t help that much with burst), instant Regrowths (“front loaded” but doesn’t increase healing as the gcd is barely shorter than the cast time) and 1 more target for your WG (no effect). So it comes down to: 1 stack of mastery with 100% uptime vs. 15% more healing and instants Regrowth (but not more Regrowths) for 30 Seconds every 3 min (+ needs a global to activate). There is no druid on higher keys (where you take more dmg and might need more burst healing) that plays Incarn. Not a single one.
You are being very hostile to people giving actual advice. Correct advice. If you have any further arguments to make after this just go to Dreamgrove discord and ask questions. There are theorycrafters there and many resto druids with way more experience than you have.
So here is the breakdown of why resto druids dont take incarnation ever for high keys:
Incarnation increases your healing done by 15% for 30 seconds. So if you use it on cooldown, its still not available most of the time.
Vs cultivation increasing your healing to targets who drop under the treshhold by mastery%. In this example i will use my usual mastery value of 18% from my normal raiding gear.
Cultivation will work any time someone needs to be focused because their health drops. It is constantly there and provides more healing% increase than incarnation.
Lets look at the other parts of what incarnation does. It gives wild growth to more targets. You obviously will find that this does not add any value to a m+ dungeon because you already wild growth everyone.
Regrowths are instant?? The only difference is that your regrowth gets applied at the start of your gcd vs the end of your gcd. Regrowth cast time=gcd so you would get the exact same amount of regrowths out in either way.
Last part of incarnation is rejuv mana reduction. Do you usually struggle with mana in m+? You can drink between each pull. So 0 use.
Lets look at inner peace the same way. 2 min tranq instead of 3 min tranq. Do you use tranq every trash pull? Is it necessary? Do you gain more tranqs from having it vs just using 3 min one? Because the tranq hot stacks up to 5 as you said in either case. It still only provides one hot on top of tranq heal itself. On a 2 min cooldown.
Now look at spring blossoms. Constant mastery% heal increase on the tank. With my numbers its 18% heal increase for the tank, any melee, you and anyone else standing in it. And it works how often? Constantly.
Mass entangle vs typhoon. Why would you not take typhoon to help kite this week or to interrupt mobs at any point. Just because most of it the dps meant to deal with does not mean you cant be useful. Typhoon on motherlode adds that cant be interrupted by normal interrupt but only stun or pushback. What use do you really get out of mass entangle in this case? It has very limited use cases.
Could use it on bolstering week to keep the small adds away. But mostly it doesnt do anything useful. It breaks on damage taken. You cant kite with it.
Typhoon is way more useful in general.
All right if you need any more details about the why and whatever i would advise you go to discord as i said. The experts there are always willing to help. It is better than you giving advice to new people and giving them the wrong advice.
Well,to everyone on its own, but alas. I think you are horribly wrong. I really hate this attitude. What you play is wrong what i play is right mentality. Why do we have talents then ? if you are always pick the ‘‘bis’’ talents hmm ?
I dont play with premades, or guild runs, and ive seen tanks that died at first boss pull.(i had all my hots on him)Within 3 -4 seconds. he had 800k hp. (im not kidding) Besides i played nearly %70 of my time with CW before; the cooldown doesnt overperform the Abundance talent.It only lasts 8 seconds.Then its gone.Besides pre hotting is an effective tool to get big fat regrowth crits on tank , which is godly, especially if you time it with omen of clarity procs.
I specced as heal, and it is my choice to select any of the 3 talents while entering a m+ ; if choosing a talent over other one means ‘‘underperforming’’ it means its a design issue. Not my problem.I personally found mass entanglement more useful when there is a druid tank with me.
I just double checked to see how much hp does cultivation gives ; it is 5432 heal over 6 seconds which is garbage tbh.
my azerite trait gives everyone near within 15 yard of me 26k bubble absorb; so why should i care about your belowed cultivation talent hmm?
Besides; im not playing with mastery oriented gear,nor did i stack mastery to be tied to one stat. So therefore your logic is flawed.
Higher levels doesnt mean anything tbh, its just gear check.if level 20 keys gave higher gear, i would be trying to rush for them.
Besides; ive never seen anyone higher than 16 on premade finder; so you are amongst minority elite.
Every other class except druids have ‘’ oh crap’’ buttons. If you dont take that talent as a druid ; you see far more ‘’‘dead dps’’ in thrash clears than from boss kills.Dps always make mistakes.They move to wrong spot or misspulls mobs, I’ve seen runs that came as perfect to nearly last boss then wipe out at last thrash clear and miss the timer.
You guys may see yourself as authority over giving advices; but what i see is elitist behaviour over forums. One of the druids even sad that
while argueing me over talent builds and saying me im spreading misinformation; which is nonsense.
Thats blizzards fault then, like it or not bis talents will always exist and you will always be expected to play bis talents unless you want to gimp yourself and your team like you’re doing for some reason.
I call bs that a tank with full hots died on pull unless he just didnt press his buttons in which case a regrowth wouldnt have saved him either.
It is a design issue but its a design issue you have to deal with and play around by choosing a talent that doesnt gimp your own team, I cant see a single situation where mass entangle is useful outside of a few specific encounters.
You’re playing the class wrong if you’re not stacking mastery as its by far the best pure healing stat for dungeons, cultivations primary draw is that its another addition to your mastery.
Btw unwavering ward is a garbage essence for dungeons and formless void is better in every single situation.
If you think higher levels are just a gear check you’re sorely mistaken, a single missed interrupt on a 20 or above is most likely a group wipe or a one shot on the person they’re targeting in just about every dungeon while you can still scrape by in lower keys, hence trash packs and bosses become much more unforgiving and timers much more tough.
If you haven’t seen a group above 16s in group finder you need to get your eyes checked because I’ve exclusively pugged my way to all 19s and a couple 20s.
Swiftmend and tranq are those oh crap buttons.
Stop blaming dps for every deplete, best way to improve is to look at yourself and where you went wrong because I highly doubt you were playing perfectly in those runs.
I stand by what I said, 15s are a joke at this point of the expansion.
I’m not going to reply to anymore either because you would rather play an inferior version of the class because you don’t want to do what those “elitists” tell you to.
Like hinabelle said if you want the why for all these talents go over to the druid discord and they’d be happy to help.
Wow, one of these dudes above gave so many wrong tips it actually made me cringe…
There’s quite a few ways to play druid in M+ as it is a pretty flexible healer. You can run many azerite + essence variations as well as corruptions and talents.
Your best choice for pugging and keys that are below 25s would be going for Haste % corruption and mastery gear. It just performs the best on keys where you don’t need the versatility requried to survive.
For talents it is the easiest to check each week what the top druids in m+ are running. But to have a picture of it it should be something like this:
Your usual go-to is : Cenarion ward > Renewal (why would you want wild charge in M+ when a self heal for critical situations is much better?) > feral affinity > Typhoon (the guy who suggested you run mass roots should stop taking shrooms so regularly) > Cultivation > Spring Blossoms > Photosynthesis
That is the generic build. In some weeks it is better to go:
Prosperity > Renewal > Feral affinity > Typhoon> Soul of the Forest > Stonebark > Photosynthesis (Such as bursting weeks, this build is good as you can have a really strong Wild Growth combined with other hots just keep your group alive much more efficiently.
In any case, if you don’t plan to push higher than 15s go for the generic build. In most cases it would serve you well and if you manage to up your gear a bit and get some Haste % corruptions your time in m+ will be significantly easier.
It is not that we are elitist. But when someone asks for information, you will tell them what they ask for and what OP asked for is not your personal opinion and feelycraft.
If they wanted to go with whatever they want with, they would not be here asking for advice. They obviously care about choosing the best talents for a situation.
You not going with the best talents because you dont care doesnt mean you should share your wisdom with people who actually care to optimize and by doing so, potentially mislead them.
I dont care what talents or azerite you go with. What I care about is you giving advice using your suboptimal build saying it is the best out there. If you dont care, just dont give advice on what is best.
