The friend I’m playing with rolled prot warrior when I wanted to give MW monk a shot. He’s enjoying it a lot, he played it in the past so it feels comfy for him anyway but he likes the current version, very sturdy it seems. And he’s surprisingly fast with all the jumping and charging, can’t outroll him 
I would really advice it, since getting on voice is the most fun experience. But on keys below +20 you can just pug on any spec.
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That’s is to bee expect due of the logistical barriers been lowered compared to before.
I can’t even understand what a lot of people are saying when voice is used.
Like, this played out:
Him: “Moff”
Me: “What?”
Him: “Moff moff”
Me: “Sorry, what?”
Him: “You need moff”
Me: “What are you saying? Moff? What is moff?”
Him: “MOFF”
Me: “Uuuuuuuuuh…”
Him: “MOFF MOFF MOFF MOFF”
Everyone else was laughing their behinds out. Later they explained move sounds like moff when he speaks. Like, BRO.
Is that a you thing? I never had this problem. Ok, there was maybe 1 person in 10 years who wasn’t understandable. You say “a lot people”, which is in this context only relevant when you can’t understand the majority of people. Or you are just stawmanning.
Its definatley a him thing.
Everyone else got it afterall.
What keys are you looking to run?
I have never seen anyone comment on spec choices in 20s or below. There’s no spec you can’t do at least 20s with, if you play halfway decently (interrupt a little, play mechanics, help with affixes a bit – stuff like that). I don’t feel anyone really cares, unless someone stands out, usually by subpar dps for the key level, and even then only if it’s so subpar that it causes problems and people may incorrectly think it’s because of the spec.
Hiding data is not the solution, because your damage is the same whether other people see it or not. If it’s not sufficient for the objective (timing the dungeon), then that fact isn’t changed by other people not knowing who is responsible for the overall lack of damage, interrupts, etc.
So this makes me think this isn’t about M+, but queued dungeons? Nobody kicks you in M+, unless you are disconnected or deliberately sabotage the run and the group feels they can finish the run without the player.
You can have fun in M+ (I do, lots of it, and my devastation evoker is not a meta spec, nor really this new resto shaman), but M+ is a competitive team activity, and the experience and the needs of the other players in your group you do this activity with matters.
Strangers are not responsible for your fun if what you find fun hinders their enjoyment or success of what they want to do. It’s something you can ask of friends, within reason (I don’t ask my friends to spam 11-13s with my shaman for crests, because I know they’d not enjoy that for the most part), but strangers don’t owe you a good time. If everyone contributes to runs going smoothly, everyone will have a fun time, though.
Puny recommended some Discord communities that are suited for learning M+ and doing runs with people who know that not everyone may play well, or who look for meta comps. I’ll add “Chill Streak” on Discord also. They have a weekly M+ night for learners and a day for M+ pushing, plus the usually “find people for M+” channel at all times. I’ve also seen lots of really nice people in “No Pressure”.
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I once asked this to a random guy on argent dawn, don’t even remember what we were talking about prior or how I met him, also never saw him after that.
His answer will echo in my head till the day I stop playing video games, and it was this:
“Who cares, prove them wrong! Be awesome!”
Whoever you are, you were a legend to my 12 year old eyes, and you still are till this day.
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A lot of people shoot themselves in the foot meta slaving. The vast majority of people aren’t even doing the type of content where you even actually benefit from it.
When I run my own keys I invite any class and spec. The less meta the better honestly. A lot of meta slaves don’t even know the spec they’re playing properly because they hop ship every patch based on what spec is supposedly best.
Much rather a feral druid or a survival hunter who’s been playing the spec for years, over a meta spec player who has the best part of 24hours at max level on their new alt.
M+ is the most meta aspect of WoW, so unless you play with friends or guildies, you will have to accept that meta is a thing. 
It sucks, and it’s the reason why I don’t M+… But it’s the unfortunate truth.
It’s impossible to remove “meta” from a game like WoW, which HEAVILY focuses on stats, fotm specs, and has nerds as its main audience. 
If you don’t like “meta mindsets”, then don’t do it through pugs. 
It’s like going to a pub, and then complaining about there being alcoholics there.
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It isn’t the truth. I mean, yes, if you go past +25s or so, meta will definitely be a thing, because in infinitely scaling content you’ll eventually have to optimize increasingly rigidly. I have a friend who plays holy priest, and she’s doing 26s currently, even with partial random groups, but that is admittedly not the norm.
But the vast, vast majority of players never go beyond 20s, because there are no rewards except the 0.1% title, which is not obtainable for most players. You could give me every meta spec with BiS items in every slot, and I’d still not be able to get that title. I don’t have that level of skill or patience or dedication in WoW, and that has nothing to do with the spec I play.
At 20 and below, the spec is just one part of someone’s performance, and not the major part. I’ve played devastation evoker most of this season and that was often in the literal F tier category at Subcreation, and it was fine. I can get into 18-20s just fine if I don’t play with friends.
If that is why you are not doing M+ at all, and not anxiety, then I feel you are misled by a belief that doesn’t reflect reality. In 20s and below, people will largely only look for sufficient interrupts, BL/heroism, and combat rezzes, plus sometimes additional dispels in some weeks.
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This directly contradicts what OP stated in the first post
Because what they’re claiming doesn’t match what I see in 20s and below.
They’re posting on a level 29 character, so I don’t know what they are attempting to do that isn’t working for them. They haven’t mentioned the spec that they say random people ask them to switch away from, unless I missed it.
TLDR find friend or a community to play with. Pugging isn’t fun whether you’re meta or not.
I’m gonna have to call BS here. I am 99.9% confident this never happened and you just made this up to exaggerate the issue.
Not inviting non-meta specs is one thing, but demanding the key holder to change their spec is beyond delusional.
Seeing an isolated number without any comparison tells you nothing. Someone who doesn’t know better might look at their damage meter seeing they’re doing X amount of DPS thinking “omg I’m blasting so hard”, meanwhile being outdamaged by the healer, and they’d be none the wiser. Might as well not have damage meters at all at that point.
It would be like being in a race but only seeing your own lap time, not knowing that the rest of the drivers are 10 seconds faster. Without the context of other drivers/player you have no idea if you’re even pulling your own weight.
only if youplay on extremly high end way above +20.
this is basicly meaningless from point of view of almost everyone normal and sane.
anyone claiming that you need mets to complete stuff like KSH / get potals / get AoTC is making themsleves look like complete clowns.
It’s more enjoyable with a surf board I find.
Like, ride the waves man. Or something. Something that a chill person with a surfboard would say.
Dude.
dunno about surf boards but like 2 years ago i bought SUP board and its soooo much fun when we are near lakes / on seaside 
plus you get amazing tan when you spend a lot of time on it 
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thats because there is absolutely nothign wrong with devo evokers. in like 3/4 of pugs you would honestly benefit much more from having devo over augument - in lower keys its true for like 90 % of groups
and you know why ? because when your other 2 dps play like garbage then having augument is waste of time - you are then basicly 4 maning dungeon with some extra passive healing and dps on tank so everythign goes extremly slow - because the bonus from low geared augument is just not worth having one.
story woudl be different if you have like 485+ augument and 2x485 dps . but in keys below +18 you just wont get them unless extremly lucky.
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