How to get into Mythic dungeons

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Hello all.

I stopped playing because of irl issues in 2017 and things have changed alot since i last played. I’ve resubbed since January 2020 i think.

So my question is:

How do i get to be invited in Mythic+ dungeons? I play Frost Mage, my ilvl gear is 441 atm, and my dps is arround 35-50 on cleaves and AoE and single target 20-25 depending on the bossfight.

I try to push my key but since i am a dps and not a tank/healer if i get a “bad” key like Underrot or Temple no healer or tank will apply whatsoever. I guess these dungeons are a pain in the back for tank/healer, i’m not sure. So when i get a “bad” key i try to find groups. After 2 weeks of applications i hardly ever get invited into Mythics, and i try to apply only for mythic +2 (which i beleive that i outgear mostly) in order to learn the dungeons and bossfights.

So can you guys please inform what are the criteria of a mythic dungeon? Talking about +2 and after i learn all the dungeons i would like to apply for +5.

Thank you in advance.

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join an m+ community :slight_smile: there’s a few around

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I’d try to just apply for as many as possible, or try to join other people’s keys. You’ll get invited eventually

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You mean join a guild that focuses on m+ right?

Well i guess i could do that. I was thinking about it for a couple of days now.

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While that is an option, communities are something a bit different.

They’re kind of cross-server guilds, I know there is 2 big ones, 1 horde and 1 alliance, dedicated to m+. Not sure about the names, I’m sure google or some others around here would know.

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Well ye, i do that ofc. I apply as much as possible. But for example last night, between 22:00 - 24:00 i may have applied for over 30 mythics (all +2) and i got zero invites. I eventually did a mythic +0 Siege of Boralus in order to learn the dungeon, but the bosses were dying so fast i couldnt understand the full lenght of the boss fight.

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Honestly, these are the good keys! Bad keys are more like Shrine, Siege or Kings rest :slight_smile: Temple and underrot are very straight forward and probably also puggable.

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Hmmm i didnt know that, thank you very much for the info. I will google it.

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I think it is Calm keystones or zen horde.

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/Me Looks at class :face_with_monocle:
A: You don’t :sweat_smile:

To be invited you need either huge iLvL or RIO score. The best way is to run some M0 (I am doing Operation Mechagon) and then using

YOUR OWN KEY!

There is no bad key~ eventually you will find some boosting premade like Tank+DPS or Heal+DPS.

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Alliance - Scared of Dungeons
Horde - Zen Horde

these are two M+ oriented communities that have a focus on being welcoming and chill, and are an ideal place to begin your mythic journey. They also do run higher keys when you reach that stage. Absolutely worth checking out and applying to.
There are many experienced members in the communities so they’re also a good place just to ask questions for boss strats and tactics, or stuff like good routes during a particular affix week, or how to deal with affixes in general, as well as tips for different classes and optimising them.

This said they’re non-elitist so it’s very much player > spec. I’ve never had any issues getting groups with ZH on my marksmanship hunter for example. No pressure for me to spec BM for keys unless I wanted to do it.

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Nah I meant a community. There’s a community tab and you an find mythic plus ones

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Have a look here!

And [H] Zen Horde - Chilled PvE Community - #35 by Hínáta-kazzak

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I wont argue with that. I was just reffering to what i’ve seen so far since i started on M+. Which is not long ago tbh. I entered M+ dungeons 1 month ago i beleive.

My disapointment is that since i resubbed, i managed to gear up fairly fast considering my available game time during the week. And now i have come to a stall.

Btw, does people only look for ilvl in mythics? Or is it something else as well, like achievments or something. Is there an addon/webpage that rates you for mythics in order to give other people info about your performance?

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Raider.io is the place. U get score for dungeons.

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So what kind of ilvl is considered huge in +2?
What is Rio score?

Sorry for the stupid questions but as i said i havent played wow since 2017.

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RIO is some stupid addon people are using and ilvl? Probably something way above 450 :sweat_smile:

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Tyvm mate. I will google it as well.

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Its not stupid :slight_smile: if i were u i would join a community like zen horde and post your keys up there. Say u are new to m+ and want to learn. Dont get disappointed if they dont jump in and help straight away, sometimes ppl dont have the time straight away.

Basically u are one of many dps applying for keys. So group leader will most likely choose the one with highest ilvl and rio that applies. Its just how it is. U have no score from prior seasone either. Just get into a community and start building that score. Ppl u enjoy playing with i recommend to add on your friendslist. Build yourself a pool of ppl to do m+ with.

Good luck and have fun :blush:

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Generally the marker of M+ applications is RIO score, which you can’t see in-game per say. There is an addon that allows you to see it.

It’s essentially a score calculated from which dungeons you’ve successfully run in-time and what the highest key level was for that dungeon. The more dungeons you run in time, at higher keys, the higher your score. Although you only get score for each specific dungeon at the highest level you’ve played it.

Example:
If I time a Freehold +2 I get 20 RIO
If I time a +2 Underrot I get 20 RIO, so now I have 40 RIO
If I time a +4 Freehold, my Freehold score gets boosted from 20 to 40, so now my total RIO is 60.
etc.

So when looking for keys a general level people look for is that you’re within a short distance of having shown you’ve cleared all dungeons at around the key level just below the one you’re applying to. There are 12 dungeons so that’s 120 RIO points per key level to satisfy a “tier”.

So for example when applying to a Freehold 10, people will be looking for a RIo score that sgguests you’ve timed +8/+9 keys regularly which would be a RIo score of around 920-1080.

For +2s people probably want to know you’ve “done” some mythic before, so having a score above 0 is advisable, the higher it is, the more likely your chances of getting in.

Ilevel is a secondary concern, but largely after RIO. So for example you may have 1200 RIO because you’ve run lots of keys with your mates, this suggests you have timed +10s across the board. However if your ilevel is 430, you probably still won’t get invites because your gear is technically too weak, and with a score that high it suggests you’ve been “boosted” through those keys, which means someone making a group will probably avoid inviting you for fear of you not pulling your weight. The same score on a 450ilevel would probably get invited no questions asked assuming someone with either a higher RIO and/or ilevel isn’t applying to the same key at the same time.

So to get regular invites as a DPS involves a lot of running dungeons to evidence your RIo score to “prove” you’ve run them successfully before, and making sure you get a variety of dungeons whilst doing so. If I only ran for example Tol Dagor, KR and Temple, even at say +15, that still only adds up to 450 score on their own, which means most people will outright ignore my application to even a +13 for those keys. Some people may check my profile to see that the score is from those keys specifically, so i’m actually a good invite, but most just look at the score number alone, outside of context, so it’s very important to ensure you pad it with as many dungeons as you can at the highest levels you can do.

This is very tricky in the beginning, which is where the communities come in. They allow you to get in the door, once your score starts to build you can then start to PUG the dungeon keys you’re missing to build the score on your own. Once your score is pretty solid, invites are much more likely.

My hunter has a very unbalanced RIO atm (i’ve done +13s/14s/15s but only for 6 of the dungeons) and he has 463 ilvel but I will still be declined invites for even 8/9 keys for those dungeons i haven’t done because my RIO is too low, even if my ilevel suggests I am overgeared for it, because my profile provides no proof i have experience of those dungeons at a similar level. So I either have to run those missing dungeons at a lower level to build them up, or I have to hope someone does invite me for them at some point because then i’ll fill that gap.

PUG life as a DPS isn’t easy on your own and requires significant investment, which is why i’d suggest communities above all else. Zen Horde and SoD do not use RIO when making their own groups for example. When running their highest keys however they may insist you’ve done similarish before, but that’s largely for the people who are dedicated “key pushers”- generally speaking there is always room for people to get their 15 weeklies done during the week i’ve found. It’s keys higher than that where they begin to expect a little bit more in terms of “do you know what you’re doing”.

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