Hello.
I leveled paladin, cleared some Gnomer and decided that its time to take patrt in my favorite activity - pvp (AB, STV).
I’ve tried strength shockadin - but if feels miserable. You are permaslowed by 15 hunter traps, casters just run away from you, shamans and mages deleting in 2 seconds and so on.
Ok, I’ve picked healer gear but it seems even worse. Flash of light cant outheal through damage, counterspell into holy is 10 seconds of doing nothing, holy light is too long and cost like a new house, it feels so much worse comparing to priest.
Is ret somewhat better or it’s all around miserable?
How to take part in pvp?
Or game now is only for mages, shamans, druids, hunters and priests?
Your class has Lay on Hands and Bubble and you’re still complaining?
healing as holy is pain. shock and sacred shield are useless, healing runes are weak compared to the priest or druid, it is really for people who like self torture.
Ret is fine until you face shamans which is all the time, they will shut you down with purges and way too tanky. you could catch rogues, mages and druids(when without blink, trinket and bear form) and kill them easily. Orcs will resist a lot.
Paladin is not bad. Ret is good for pvp.
You can make everything work, but must have real expectations, not illusions. No class/spec can beat everything, if this happens, something is not right.
Duels, 1v1 fights, team fights-all those are diferend from each other. You have to adapt, and know the enemy, what you face, what you have near, what you can use. If you face something that counter you, or can kite you, well better try to avoid, or find a way to work around. That is what makes PVP interesting. You are class with a lot of utility, if you cannot deal with something, try to make it easy for those around you to do the job. As paladin you must have no tunnel vision, observe. I played ret TBC to mid of Cata, all type of pvp. In my expirience helping team is game changing. If you give freedom or heal to good warrior around you it does wonders sometimes, just example. You have to practice, it takes time, do not give up fast. You need a lots of stamina, it’s king for pvp.
Gl, hf!
Peace!
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Holy is pathetic atm, thats for sure. But I’m sure it’ll pop off in later phases once it gets corrected.
Ret is really good in PvP. Does really strong damage, has freedom and so on. Its a better warrior apart from the lack of a mortal strike.
The main issue as you mentioned, is the amount of FOTM classes there are. Hunters, Priests and Druid are the most played classes atm and are the easiest to perform well with. Hunter frost trap launchers are ridiculously busted in PvP, its essentially an instacast improved blizzard without the damage portion. The amount of hunters + frost trap can make some BGs feel miserable.
Spriests and their dots or just mindblast + sw:d can completely melt people with very little effort or setup required.
Druids have really fast cast times, and if able to turret, are able to delete people incredibly fast. They are also mobile and have good instacast harass ability.
Mages are also strong, but its hard to play them properly as they require more setup, and they can get melted if they make a single mistake against any class. They can also oom more quickly than anyone else.
Melee life in general right now is rough with the low amount of stamina there is and the high amount of damage all these ranged classes can put out, but they are playable and strong in their own right. You cant just charge in against a group of casters and expect to be able to connect and delete them without proper support (ret kinda can sometimes with bubble if nobody decides to heal). You need to take the right engagements and fill more of a support role than a frontline one without any good healer watching your back
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I made the same mistake going first prot, then shokadin but realized holy shock damage is crap, and you can’t chain them with the rune (low crit chance).
Gave deep ret a shot: much better. The only viable pal build imo. Classic one SoC / eye for an eye / parry / divine storm / exorcist. I prefer mana regen on feet, but thats a personal take. I so not have enough crit to make art of war worthwile. Ret works much better than my warlock as well.
Retri is the way, you have to use some tools to be effective, like swiftness potion with freedom+ the new gnomer engineering bomb witch can slow the target.
The balance is broken AF so yes they can 1hit you, but you can 1hit them either.
Paladin is not bad at all, but now there are more effective, i mean broken classes exists and most of them is RANDGED like sh, balance or elemental. The point is not to think too much about long fights, either you kill the enemy under freedom+bubble or you die.
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You will have a rough time in sod p2 trying to pvp as a paladin. Ret is somewhat playable vs people who have no brain at all. Holy, no chance at being useful at all.
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You can check reckoning spec
Its better than shokadin ofc. U have repentance (range cc)+ more dmg from ur passive buttons
walk up to enemy. insta remove any slows. use bubble to hit enemy without any fear of cc or damage for 10 sec. if enemy not dead, use 5 sec stun, if enemy (suprisingly) is not dead, kill him after the 15 sec of free dmg phase. if in danger, use insta heal.
Ret is fine in open world, the real problem comes in BGs, but i think every malee feel it not only paladins. Simply ranged classes are broken AF right now, sh, elemental, balance.
Its funny if you think about it, classes like ret pal or frost mage got the wotlk toolkit more or less, but others like drood or sh they got kind of a bfa++ hybrid stuff.
Played a bit of ret. In world of mages/priests/hunters/druids/shamans I’ve made 300 IQ move - canceled subscription.
I’ve seen gnomer few times, pvp is a trashcan, may blizzard enjoy their indie games without me.
You can play ret, but shamans/priests gimp you hard in group content if they find their purge buttons.
You can either play dumb PVE man with martyr/exo/art of war and just try and cut down one target after another (only works with a healer and a good group)
Dumb Divine Storm man with command/exo/art of war and try to cleave down stacked people (only works with a healer and a good group)
You can also play Captain america with Divine Storm ,Avengers and sacred Shield. Keep up sacred shield, be annoying with avengers and pray for command procs with your divine storm during dives. Works pretty good alone, works even better with a team that follows up on your shield. Make sure you hit your shield into a large group. If you hit the meleegroup, they cant really engage, if you hit the casters you can kite the melee away and finish them off. Rep and Hoj healers to confirm kills.
You can also also play Antifear man with Divine Storm, Antifear and Sacred shield. Try and dive priests with other melee and negate the fear with your active spell, take care of purgers cause they will make you useless and try to heal into sacred shield once in a while for tankiness. Works really well into priest heavy teams, but you need to coordinate. Shamans make you completely useless though, and priests aswell if they figure out whats happening and start purging you.
Every build above without Art of War will have you rely on Seal of Command RNG to do damage, and you will mostly kill during HOJ with Divinestorm- Autoattack- (maybe big command proc) into judge.
I feel you, I just dropped my subscription, it’s impossible to play unless you’re a shp shaman hunter mage, I play as a mage and shaman better than many, but in sod I wanted to play exclusively as a warrior and paladin, but a
MM hunter suffer as much as paladin against priests, mages and shamans/balanc druids too. I cant say anything about BM and the malee one cuz im playing MM only, but with mm in open world 1v1 you have only 1 way to kill anyone. Cast aimed shot on trapped targeds and thats it. Aimed shot is a 3 sec cast and whiteout a crit its hitting less than the instant cast starsurge, and even whit a crit i dont hit that much as the arcane mage with arcane surge witch is also an instant cast spell. Against sh priest… those ****in pets. When the priest is frozen those pets constantly hitting me and pushback casting on aimed, if the priest is not trapped than he can cast 3 mind spikes on me while i can shot a single aimed +the dots also hitting me. And not to mantion how much shots i MISS…almost every second chimera shot misses, which is interesting, because I never see the casters you mentioned miss anything, especially not their 1000+ damage spells.
im consistently deleting people with strength shocadin, maybe u should describe what you are doing in pvp
for example, you have a 2k+ burst during stun, what are you actually pressing?
edit: had a look at the suggestions, and most are terrible. this is what i do for confirmed 2k+ burst. first of all, drop sheath of light for pvp. you are 31 holy so u need to run infusion of light on belt. you open with exo into judge marty/sor depending on if u use divine storm or not, then divine favour holy shock, then exo + holy shock again. target is either dead or almost dead, and u can do all that in the 5 secs that hoj lasts, or even while you are running up to them
edit 2: nobody suggesting infusion of light means that they dont realize how to optimally utilize shocadin burst, especially since if you dont burst good you die in sod