Sounds great!
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No, Youâre right, The word of Blizzard is the law, and Blizzard dictated that Sylvanas is responsible for the Wrathgate, period. A tiny minority of people are acting like this is the worst retcon ever, when in reality it isnât. And if anything, this âretconâ actually sheds some light on Sylvanasâ involvement in the Wrathgate, because it was stupid that Sylvanas had no idea that the Wrathgate was even being assaulted.
As usual, it is up to the Sylvanas haters to find some positivity in Sylvanasâ situation, because her fanboys are too busy moaning and complaining about everything.
Umm, what I actually meant about Saurfang Juniorâs deathscene being unrealistic was that in one case, his actual death, his body was utterly incinerated by the Red Dragonflight ( Funny that like Bolvar it didnât look like that later) in a place that was then a tranquil garden of life, thanks to said Dragonflight, with flowers and tat. And that in the second case, at his death as Dk Saurfang Jr. Icecrown Citadel, he was atop a massive tower.
In neither situation did he die the way/place it is shown in âOld Soldierâ
I mean I can overlook it for rule of cool, because the cinematic is cool, but ehhh, that ainât how it happened. Either time around.
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I havenât followed the discussion here, but it seems likely that the âflashbackâ was more based on Varokâs emotions rather than what actually happened. As his son died alone, in one of the coldest places of Azeroth. And it also serves to distract the player from anything else, besides Varok saying goodbye to his son.
I donât think itâs supposed to be as precise as you think it should be, and I donât think that Blizzard used the Rule of Cool here.
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Donât get me wrong, it was in response to something prior, and no, I think the scene worked perfectly as a cinematic, it is a brilliant cinematic, Iâm saying sometimes we have to go with what looks good, what gets the -feel- across, not what is factually accurate. That is actually Blizzard on their A++ game as far as cinematics go, in fact everything that has come out of BfA has been top notch work by their team.
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Ok, in that case I misunderstood your point (I didnât read up on what you guys were debating before), and Iâll agree with you.
This might be the undisputed truth in this expansion. Lore might be a mess all over the place, but they did nail their cinematics.
Its a shame really, that both Old Soldier and the announcement trailer are cheapened by the Meta knowledge of how things turned out.
Or knowing for example that when Saurfang made that inspirational charge, he was hoping inside that the Alliance wouldâve won and removed Sylvanas.
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Exactly. If the plot wouldnât tell us he is the right side and that our choices donât really matter, I would kill him instantly.
Hala is typing, which means weâre going to hear what he thinks about the writing quality!
Ahem,
CONTINUITY EXISTS TO ENHANCE A STORY, NOT TIE THE HANDS OF THE CREATORS.
EDIT
Ahw, he stoppedâŚ
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While he/she is spot on when pointing out this in any other situation, here i feel is less of a creative development and more of a departmental communication issue.
Like, a serious one. It may have to do with how Golden scripted the second one, while the marketing department (and take this lightly but i think that with Metzen himself) orchestrated the announcement one.
All are good, no point denying the obvious, but as i saidâŚthey feel cheapened.
Knowing that inspirational charge was âfakedâ or that when Saurfang seems to brighten up with Zekhan, he is either faking it too (as then he proceeds to pardon Anduin as some resort to remove Sylvanas), or almost immediately goes back to his previous self that wants to die on the battlefield.
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"Specified"would be a better word 
I fully believe that my opinions are not superior to anybody elseâs 
Very welcome.
Youâre welcome. Thank you
One of. And debatable. From what Iâve read about him, he is the iconic definition of a man fully controlled by his vanity and arrogance.
Which means âa warrior told about in legendsâ, not âa perfect warriorâ. He very much did not defend well enough his only weak spot. Not the smartest fighter, perhaps
Ummm, no.
He is known for his greatest weakness mostly, the circumstances of his death and his fighting with Agamrmnon. This legendary warrior, for instance, refused to fight when one of his women was taken from him by the king. He allowed his own men and other men of Greece to be left without his legendary support because he had a mood.
Mind, the movie does not correspond perfectly with the actual legend.
This is your opinion. It is stated nowhere and never. More than that, Achilles (the actual legendary man) is known for his moods. He surely didnât have the attitude you identify him with when he was killing all sons, fathers, brothers and so on.
Achilles is the personification of arrogance and served as an example what vanity leads to. You can be the best fighter around but if you get too cocky, you can get deadây.
Keep in mind, please that I am not trying to change your opinions of him. Youâre welcome to have your own view of his person. I just tried to confront that opinions with what, I believe, know of the character.
Aplogies in advance if I sounded mean. Didnâ⌠Mean ( ) to.
NO, IT DOES NOT.
Let me tell you something Iâve never told you before.
Continuity IS the story.
No continuity = âDraenor is free!â. This crude patchwork of unrelated events that make approximately zero sense might be a decent toilet plug but never a story.
Let me develop this chatacter! Hia wife died to angry raspberries and he hates them! He is on a crusade to burn all raspberries because he is a fire mage. He also never met an apple.
Next patch. âApples have gone too far by not doing ANYTHING to me! I will unite with raspberries to defeat them!â. Oh and guess what he misses his deceased uncle! Wife? What wife!?
This is the âstoryâ brutally divorced from continuity.
YOU DONâT DO THAT.
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Hala, are you ok? You sound very⌠uh, differently. Did you finally see the truth? That Watcher is a mastermind who proves his dominance by constantly changing the lore?
You know, the Church of Greymane has a therapy group. You know which I mean, right? Maybe you should come in again, youâve missed quite a few talks.
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But Draenor is truely free now free from the magâhar that is as they had all had to run away 
those foolish orcs though they ran from the frying pan into the fire there an alliance sword axe, arrow with their name on it
More like occupied by invasive space goat aliens who are also Zealots who try to subjugate the entire universe with light powers. But ainât nothing new that human avatars support tyrants when it fits their power plays.
a support the yrel that was not the current one iâm sad that blizzard corrupt a semi alliance hero to make the orcs look good as always
because those poor innocent magâhar that was killing yrelâs people a mere 35 years prior
Because that isnât shown in the plot. We got 30 years of peace. THEN new Naaru drop onto draenor together with the army of the light AU. They make Yrel go to war and force the Maghar to flee, since those new powers canât be defeated. Thatâs how it went down in the narrative. Nothing to do with the stuff the iron Horde did.
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the narrative was not needed though you could have recruited the magâhar without painting yrel and her people as light fanatics but the current blizzard has their whole the light is evil storyline which is stupid but whatever they seem to insist on tearing down everything the lore has previously established
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They already dropped the ball there with Illidan and Xeâra. And the scarlet crusade. Powers corrupt. Itâs about the people to handle those powers the right way.
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Common sense and the most basic logic are also not shown in this plot.
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