How will new forsaken be created in SL?

as far as i know, sylvanas made a pact with the valkyr that allows her to resurrect undead. so without her, are the forsaken a dying race ?

For humans it takes 15-20 years to have a new generation in fighting shape. Forsaken don’t need to be able to constantly raise however many fully grown corpses they want to have enough of a population for however long the game will last.

Apart from that… being undead is not a race. It’s twisting a soul and forcing it onto a body with magic. Forsaken traditionally saw that as quite a bad thing, especially on people who didn’t consent to that. So yeah, no one should be unhappy with them dying out at some point. Not even the Forsaken.

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Unless Blizzard backtracks on some of said stuff, yeah.
It’s one of the issues the race is currently ailing from because of BfA.

I’d hope for SL to mend on said stuff, but given the treatment the race has had as of lately, and the fact Danuser already said they won’t be tackling Forsaken related issues yet, I’d expect them to be kept in a limbo that leaves said issue hanging.

If we stay away from the details, I would say, that at extremely convenient moment, right when Sylvanas needed to stay alive for longer, val’kyrs suggested the pact. They looked at her memories, but that happened before she met the Jailer. So, you could say that val’kyrs suggested the pact to the verson of Sylvanas who cared about her people, but ended up being pretty much her slaves.

These val’kyrs were created by the Lich King specifically for this purpose, that is true. But without him, their strength is rather limited. Although after this “machine of death” was broken at some point in time during Legion, and the Jailer started getting more and more souls, Sylvanas became more powerful and it somewhat empowered val’kyrs too. They used to be able to raise mostly humans.

Depends. Maldraxxus is the “home” of necromancy, so that could have it’s role in the future. There could be some sentient undead among the scourge leftovers too. Plus, Sylvanas does not need val’kyrs, I doubt they care about Sylvanas, especially while she’s away, and there is a possible path in the story to keep them if the devs would want to.


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Chronologically you make your (Sylvanaxx made) undead character in the past.
That you dont get new forsaken, that doesnt mean anything.
Their story will be covered after / at the end of SL.

If Sylvanas dies , and they say okay she is now living her deserved afterlife does that not diminish the forsaken player like lorewise its unnatural the most unnatural logically speaking, you know what I mean

The original forsaken were those that broke free of the lich king’s control. Now there is no lich king - or rather no crown of domination for the lich king to assert control - but there are still masses of undead. So, theoretically, now could be the best time in Forsaken’s history for growing their numbers, should enough undead regain their presence of mind. Depends how Blizzard want to play it.

A particularly cynical part of me is thinking that is exactly what Blizzard will do, for malicious reasons. That they will have the Forsaken amass a massive force, let Calia takeover, then make the Light the big bad in a future expansion. Driving the Forsaken to be major antagonists yet again.

How can they die

they are already dead

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That would actually be a nice move that would take Forsaken back to their roots as essentially a faction of runaway slaves in a world that hates them. What they had before they were enslaved is forever lost to them.

But uniting freed Scourge slaves takes leadership, and while they have been pushing Calia on us… there is no undead anywhere that has less of a connection to the Forsaken founding myth than she. There is a reason Sylvanas was so revered among the Forsaken. Her contribution in uniting the Forsaken was vital (no pun intended). So I guess… your cynicism might not be unwarranted.

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I’d say so.

Until we’re shown otherwise, it seems reasonable to assume that Sylvanas’ val’kyr remain loyal to her above all else - meaning that with her departure, so too did the means of creating more Forsaken depart with her.

Now as someone else mentioned above, we are about to visit a realm in the Shadowlands almost exclusively dedicated to necromancy. It wouldn’t be a huge stretch of the imagination, that the Forsaken bring back some knowledge on how to better preserve themselves and/or create more undead to join their ranks.

Disassemble some of their abominations back into individual people… corpses.
Like if you were to unstitch Thaddius back into women and children again.

Undead races (not counting undead classes among this) does not make sense as a playable “race” unless they are the big bad enemy faction that murders the living left and right and raises new ones all the time, or can raise others.

But at the same time, it seems undead were rising even back in Classic, I faintly remember you being told that they almost threw you into a pile of other bodies :man_shrugging:

Ugh… blizzard story devs, inconsistent as heck.

they should have kept it simpler, forsaken are just undead with free will.
last time i played warcraft 3 was many years ago, but if i remember correctly thats basically what they were at the game.

Something something, the shards of domination, something something, residual power, something something, capable of raising freewilled undead.

Through the Light. Look at Calia!

fast and easy …the new forsaken will be the undead in Northrend after a “purification” by calia , remember they where mindless and the prisoners of the lich king.

or maybe just some forsake learn necromancy

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God no! Brr… shivers

I’m guessing the solution is somehwere in the Maw, with the Jailer. This might be one of the deals she has with him.

Solution implies a problem. Forsaken not reproducing isn’t one. Neither for the game’s story, nor should it be for its characters.

Why would the Forsaken even WANT their faction to continue? The majority of them would tell you that their existence is hell, and they want nothing more than to be human again. Even the one’s who’ve gathered their will and decided to survive shouldn’t want to spread their condition on.

Playable races need means to replenish their ranks in order to back up their continued existence. Specially if we have a setting with yearly threats that kill off chunks of them periodically.
With living beings we have reproduction, with cult-like races we have training/transformation events…the Forsaken need their own reason to explain their prolonged existence in the game.

Call it “reproduction” or whatever.