Everybody knows what the issue of mage as awhole is, its not really 1 thing outside of the obvious one but just everything combined.
I mean we all make topics about “nerf X” etc, thats mostly just down to tuning problems with dmg or abillities that can be easily tuned for PvP, but the core issue of mage in PvP is literally how its handled in PVE which is why this is really stupid.
Recently they reworked mage to get Displacement, for whatever reason, i can not actually think of a single reason tbh, because mage as was onpar mobillitywise if not close to the best even in PVE, and tbh is there really such a demand for mage to have more mobillity in PVE like in what world, becuase they obviously didnt add it with PVP in mind, which is true because they never rework classes around PVP. So how do we actually fix this in PVP and make it a known issue for blizzard, im pretty sure most mages can agree its ridicolous even Venruki the mage “crybaby” said so. Ive never actually seen them prune an abillity from the class tree after a rework or for the sole reason of PVP for that matter. Will it be like this till the next expansion or just worse next expansion wether or not they decide to give u more talent points etc. Theres just so many questions.
I find it incredibly poor design. Most of the low rated casters find warrior oppressive because its one of the easiest melees and the most represented one, oppressive even if in reality its not even that good in the meta, just because people dont know how to use their tools at that rating but w/e thats besides the point. The point is, mage is on another level of every other class mobility in the game maybe only rivaled by classes such as SV, DH/WW etc, but tbh even those classes have a very hard time sticking to a mage. The problem with the design is the fact that even if ure bad u dont get punished for using ur mobillity poorly or trying to shimmer behind a wall to land a polly because “gotcha” another blink, wheras in the past ud get punished if u just blinked all the time randomly. Ive seen very bad mages live forever in melee lobbies, the only reason being overtuned mobillity kit. Im pretty sure they dont even think about what theyre doing. Ive seen mages literally altar just to instantly altar back for mobillity wasting their entire altar for no reason and yet they dont get punished. Its 1diot proof for the lack of another word.
seriously consider fixing this. I dont know how because im fairly certain they wont prune it soley for PVP reasons as PVEers dont like that and would cry all day even tho they actually dont need it. I guess it heals but they could just get some passive healing or an absorb instead, no reason to have to blink to have dmg mitigation.
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Nooooooo i dont have 100% uptime blizzard help how could this be noooooo
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Mage is the reason why other casters have a lot of trouble against melees. Blizzard need to change a lot of things.
First reduce the amount of instant spells. Caster should cast again. No spell can be casted while moving(blink).
Reduce the amount of mobility from melees, reduce all damage from all classes by at least 10%(OP classes 20%).
Remove cc categories, make all cc trigger dr. Therw is to much cc in the game.
Mage tools and mobility are broken but tbh if they cut it even by half they will be dead 24/7.
I don’t think they will change something cause of pve reason.
i dont buy the whole “melee only have mobility cus of mages” argument since the whole mobility creep issue started in MoP and never slowed down
That it’s the only class where Warriors can’t press W and do a PVE rotation on it?
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And reduce a lot of survivability of the non mobile casters. Warlock lost Dark Regeneration and Dark Bargain.
But how does it come that melees habe most of the time only issue against mages? All other casters need a good amount of peel.
id add warlock to that pool as well (if we are talking most of the time), but yeah generally its just those 2 and everyone else gets exploited heavily in some way (I guess recent boomy and s1 sp also come to mind in some way, but they were outliers)
I mean if u count getting 2 globals max on a bad mage that blinks on ur charge then sure. U literally won’t ever touch a good mage, that’s bad game design u’re not supposed to be immune to someone touching u
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Interesting. Every other class also won’t get away from any Warrior, is that not bad game design? Are you supposed to be immune to getting kited?
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Ure delusional. U play a shadowpriest yet u want to kite. Ure prob the most tanky caster in the game and ure supposed to be hit, its literally the class design and always has been wheras mages have never supposed to be entierly immune, sure great tools to kite but never like this, u prob connect more in wotlk than u do rn, straight stupid take. Not like u literally have catharsis top dmg, to counter being perma trained, life swap, disp, desperate prayer, fade, and the good ole precog, skill issue my boy wheras trying to connect on a mage has nothing to do with skill, the only way theres skill to it is if the mage is 1200 rated and double shimmers, altar insta and displacement insta and spamm and his roots while standing still. Ure pretty funny tho, april first came late this year.
We can see the bias shining through clear as day. Lets take this to the extreme, a good mage should never ever lose to a warrior, wheras a good sp could definetly win over warrior. But i mean who can blame u, losing to 1500 warriors must be rough for ur ego, hence but but but but “woyyer is too stronk”, i cant plaay, my goshhhh this broken zug zug class is too dumb to outplay.
What other classes we talking about, im pretty sure a good lock could kite a warrior for days with soulburn port. Ele is pretty tanky as is with their selfhealing, thunderstorm, root root, static totem, they also have a mobillity button nowadays, oh i forgot they also have the 10% dmg red to physcial dmg perma uptime. The only thing boomy has to do is fake u once and make u sit a 6 second clone into another another, typhoon into root and then just flap across the map. Its skill issues, because most casters suck and expect to play caster like melees.
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I don’t care about my class, I’m talking objectively, something you’re incapable of.
Mage is the only class in the game that can effectively kite a Warrior. You have no problem being able to have max uptime on everything else, but the one class where you don’t is where you draw the line and start crying out ‘bad game design’? Hilarious.
Extremely ironic from the guy that is still losing more than he’s winning. It’s alright, Scardrex will have a rough session and make another few threads for you soon mate.
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I mean i could argue about locks, but u literally only have to track their port the issue is actually connecting if they place a good port and just run around it after ur leap. Someone like dakkroth would prob never die to warrior unless its paired with a dk. Theres plenty of instances where this is false.
I mean not really, tried arms, it does slightly more dmg, but ure forced to play bley blade bladestorm, so its boring af, because believe it or not warrior will prob never be good in shuffle unless they rework the specs. It doesnt bring enough to be good, so i dont know why ure crying it should be so simple to beat. If warrior dmg isnt overtuned its just gonna feel awful vs anything in shuffle, because the skill ceilling just isnt there to win. Take Fury, what skill is there, u dont even have bladestorm which even then is pretty low skill. Pre dstance isnt really a thing anymore because ull die through and usually doesnt net enough value. I guess u have banner that dies in 0.1 seconds, and intervene thats about it. Wheras most classes have roots, knocks, spammable or short cc, good burst etc. So Im not surprised warrior isnt doing well atm, it shouldnt unless they broke the game where u hit 200k crits into anything.
Lets be real here tho, there will come a day when warrior is gonna be broken or s tier again, prob s3 id bet. Thats what u should save ur energy for, so u can rant about how dumb it is, theres literally no point nowadays, u can check every metric and compare to other melees or the whole ladder for that matter and see that its not as oppressive as u make it out to be. Hopefully u dont take representation as an argument because thats just placebo for warrior, people play it because its easy and most people find the fantasy quite satisfying, not because its good or anything.
Open spellbook > find mobility spells > put on the action bar > bind them > use PROPARLY and problem solved. No flame xD
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No, better to waste leap and charge the air and stormbolt in a meld and then get mad that you get kited for a dozen of seconds
No, you couldn’t really. The Warlock is using their port and running to avoid you and to avoid you only. They’re not killing or cc’ing you or your team, they are simply using it to survive. Meanwhile, Mages are kiting you all game, killing and cc’ing you. That’s why you have a problem with Mages, because they’re defensive and offensive simultaneously.
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The biggest bias on the entire forum is you though.
I dont think ive seen anyone making so many forum posts just to complain on the specs you have personal issues with facing and want nerfed sometimes even gutted.
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For warlock it depends on the spec, Affliction is not good against melee. Demo and destruction are doing better. In terms of survivability against melees, affli needs a upgrade.
But this will not happen, they target big the damage. But there is only one thing to change, UA protects the dots from getting removed. When anyone tries to remove the dots.
First warris complain about not being S+ tier. Now that they are totally not overbuffed they start complaining about the one class which counters them. I guess warri is the only class who sould be perma S+ tier and shouldn’t have a single counter on top of that.
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Well mages are overperforming in the super highend - but are probably well balanced in the mid/high tier where people dont play perfect.
Thats the problem with half of the specs being super easy to play… Its Just a question for which elo you want to balance.