And i mean a big twist that has suddenly the Horde being the ones that “win” this war, and dictate the terms of the geopolitical landscape of the planet. Even if mildly.
Note regarding this hypothesis: The outcome would naturally be one that took in consideration the game restrictions and some parity regarding wins and losses.
I ask because the Alliance victory is almost considered a given. By both Horde and Alliance players. If not a ‘de facto’ one at least one that favours them over the Horde.
And i was curious as to how would people react if Blizzard had in store some ultimate twist that had the Horde actually being the ones that come on top.
With whatever shenanigans they deem fit (Saurfang taking the mantle, Sylvanas leaving or compromising to change her ways, etc.).
Is it something feasible? Acceptable?
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Seems extremely unlikely and honestly rather far fetched for the horde to win some might even say bad writing and so the alliance would be upset to put it mildly your as likely to see Keal’thalas rise from the dead for the 3rd time and suddenly be instantly forgive for all his wrong doings
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Acceptable under the condition that Warchief Baine gets the reins and Sylvanas dies an unceremonious death/exile.
Of course the Alliance would have to make some major mistakes and then some, and then some more to lose the war. If the Horde gets to keep Nelf lands, that’ll be the final nail in the coffin of this game. Obviously there will be a raging insurgency in Kalimdor for years, decades even and there’ll be no shortage of dead Hordies and Kaldorei.
This sets us up for the Second Blood War, which the Horde will lose given the military balance.
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The alliance losing an actual war? Not happening in world of alliance-craft. the last war they lost dates back to 1994.
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I doubt a lot of players will be happy with the Alliance losing a war they were forced into, after the Horde commited such a grave injustice against them.
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Sure, but I wanna lose like the Horde lost last time. We can give you half a zone back, and keep the other seven or eight we conquered. Sounds nice?
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I can’t see either side winning tbh. They never do, got to keep that conflict going or have some tentative peace that can break at any time.
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Neither side will win…it’s like in the comics, all those team versus always end in draws or mid story they stop fighting against each other and join forces to fight a third force.
My hope for the conclusion of this expansion is that both lose, and either Azshara or N’zoth or whatever 3rd hidden force might be in play wins, so the next expansion will be us having to deal with it, maybe working as a new Cataclysm-type event.
Until now, every expansion has been self-contained: you have an enemy, you defeat him, expansion ends with a victory. Legion was the almost an exception, because even though we defeated the Burning Legion and Gul’dan on Draenor, it was on an alternate reality…when he was sent to our reality, he helped the Legion on a new offensive.
I think it would be cool than in the next expansion the entire world was back on the table as content.
About as well as the losses they endured in Cataclysm?
That is to say not well at all since it´s constantly brought up by Alliance players even in this very thread.
And let´s be clear here the only way the Horde wins this war barring bad writing (HA!) is if Sylvanas manages to rid herself of the rebellious elements within it, unite the faction under her banner in a way Garrosh never could while simultaneously taking advantage of a possible strike against the Alliance and its assets carried out by a third party, such as the Naga sinking the Kul Tiran fleet.
And even IF she managed to secure a victory even under these conditions you are still left with the bleak reality of why the Horde can never win these wars.
Because it spells the utter destruction of the Alliance as a faction. Because unlike the Alliance the Horde, save for a particularly spineless bovine, has shown no moral objections to eradicating the opposing faction. And if losing some zones in Cataclysm to streamline the Horde leveling experience ruffled the feathers of Alliance players I´d hate to see creative insults they´d hurl at Blizzard in the event of such a complete defeat.
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Sure. At the condition that Tyrande looses her head alongside Malfurion.
I mean, let’s be honest. If the Horde wins, you will not get to choose anything that happens.
But the Horde can’t win.
It heavily depends.
Do we get to be offensive?
Are we able to burn thousands of your civilians out of a hissy fit?
Do we get to blight our own city just so you can’t have it?
I can only speak for myself, but I’d gladly switch positions to the losing faction, when we instead get to be the meanies kicking down your sandcastle.
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Giving gameplay protects both factions from being wiped out, it´s clear Sylvanas´ “Horde” cannot win, since their goal is to kill every Alliance member.
Now, I could see the Alliance submitting to Varok´s Horde, given it lacks numbers (as evidenced by the cinematic) and it didn´t want war in the first place. With the right conditions, of course, like a way to ensure they won´t attack the Horde but keeping their kingdoms.
the horde cannot win per the narrative if the horde wins azeroth dies and the void kills everyone 
including the horde
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If the Horde winning means integrating the Alliance into the Horde, I’m totally fine with it. One faction or no faction at all, essentially the same - especially if Sylvanas goes away, and I don’t really have any doubts about that left (even a “redemption” would essentially be rewriting her character and putting the one we have now out of its misery). If winning means destroying some stuff, holding some speeches and going home, to have the fighting restart in the next addons… I don’t want that for either faction.
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But the void corrupted people are in the Alliance.
Also they won’t win. We’ll be keeping the defacto war stance with 8.2 when Azshara comes and does some deux ex machina sh*t and destroys the entire Alliance fleet.
Yes, because the Horde isn’t know to constantly bring up their own losses like Camp Taurajo or the so very dark massacre at Dalaran which clearly brought the Sin’dorei to a point of extinction… Just sayin’, the Alliance isn’t the only one doing it.
ANd here we go, you clearly miss the points of those complaints, which was not that we don’t want the Horde to have a better leveling experience, but it was about their “defeat” where they won more then the winners. The only “fist-pump” moment the Alliance got was Dalaran and that was reversed 4 months later.
It is Stormwind that lacks numbers, as we can see the Kaldorei and Worgen are doing just fine in Darkshore and we have yet to see the full might of the three Dwarven Clans come into action.
Although they are abit wack-o the Void Elves are anything but Void Corrupted. Hell I’d say the Shadowmoon Clan is more Void Corrupted then the Void Elves since the Void Elves never went onto an interdimensional conquering spree.
After The Alliance tried to capture or perhaps even kill the Warchief mind you.
After she commited genocide against Gilneas and Lordaeron, never answered for her crimes, abandoned the Alliance on the Broken Shore without explaining why ebfore abandoning the Horde to fend for itself under a power-vacuum for the sole reason of making herself immortal at the cost of weakening Azeroth’s defenders and turning them against the Horde, which Greymane prevented, something she herself never used as a reason to go to war mind you.
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Yes and thats after Sylvanas pulled the Wrathgate, Blighted Gilneas and Southshore, allowed aa Death Camp to be run under her supervision(And thats aside the Human test subjects she held in Undercity)…
And well I don’t need to say more. Just because she had ascended to the title of Warchief doesn’t absolve her of her crimes as Banshee-Queen.
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