How you beat warriors?

I really have a problem with warriors as rog. They crit me and sometimes I got one shot if the crit hits 3 consecutive times. Yesterday, I got hit but 75k and literally was not able to do anything?

mean its skills hit contruction able do it one they together hitting both char good been op to 75k crit

I think you need to be more clear about what you mean if you want more people to reply hehe. Your question is a bit vague and confusing. :slight_smile:

  1. You ask how to beat Warriors in a Rogue forum, from a DH.
  2. You don’t give us much to work with. Do you mean Arena? BGs? 1v1 scenarios?
  3. Is this a “every Warrior” scenario, or isolated scenarios?

Since you didn’t mention arenas, I’m assuming you mean in 1v1 scenarios during BGs or WPvP.

I’m also assuming you want “Rogue help” since you are asking from the Rogue forum. If not then it’s probably better to ask in the DH forum section. :slight_smile:

Rogue is considered the top 1 PvP class pretty much always, and in 1v1 scenarios Warriors are considered the WORST class in the game.

If you have a equally skilled and geared Rogue facing off against a equally skilled and geared Warrior, Rogue should win EVERY … SINGLE … time (same goes for DH against Warrior).

It’s pretty much one of these scenarios:

  1. Your character is massively undergeared (which might explain your amazement over their dmg).
  2. You aren’t rotating your defensives properly, or “saving them until you take heavy damage”.
  3. Not using your CC properly to cut them off during their uptime.
  4. They have put much more research into optimizing borrowed power than you.
  5. They are better players than you, meaning they don’t have high dmg per se, you just have too low dmg to match them.

Oh my, Oakmaw, you enlist Rachs a couple of possible reasons why he/she couldn’t beat a warrior, when he/she asked the opposite: what to do to actually achieve it.

Rachs, I play as a rogue for many years but I have the same problem with plate wearers, so I’d gladly stay a while and listen to the others about the subject.

Hope you get the answer.

Alright, let me rephrase it then. :joy:

Ways to improve yourself:

  1. Get better gear.
  2. Rotate your defensives properly, and do not “save them until you take heavy damage”.
  3. Use your CC properly to cut them off during their uptime.
  4. Research more into optimizing borrowed power.
  5. Practice your rotation, and know which Warrior attacks to look out for.

Was that better? :joy: :stuck_out_tongue:

Like I said… The info we have to work with to help him improve is a bit vague. :slight_smile: So from my part, :point_up_2: that is what I can do to help. Someone with better Rogue experience might be able to do more to help. :slight_smile:

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Just stab them harder? Lmao.
If I see a rogue coming at me in a 1v1 in bgs I run like a :poop: too my team or I will get cc chained into oblivion…

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Perfect, thank you :slight_smile: And btw I learn something for myself.

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Or just roll assasination, get the full set bonus and destroy them in 1-2 seconds.

I remember somewhere around WoTLK or Cata, Assa was the only rogue spec considered to be able to destroy plate wearers fast. I respeced that time to Assa, only to watch paladins and warriors dying at BGs, shocked how quickly some petty rogue was able to kill them xD If I remember correctly, one even want to report me xDD
Ahh, golden memories…

You know you can get out of sap without using trinket? Just use trinket and if he saps u break it and kill. A rogue can’t maintain a stunlock on a warrior or any other character who can break stuns with class abilities. Only class a rogue can stunlock properly is another rogue.

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Trinketing sap is the worst mistake you can make against a rogue, even as a warrior or paladin.

Edit: At least warriors can break out of re- saps, thats true.

Excuse me? :slight_smile: :clown_face:

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Yeah you heard me. :joy: And 99% of guides will back up that statement. :wink:

I’m not saying Warriors will always loose, but it would require you being a better player going up against a noob Rogue. Or the Warrior being MUCH better geared than the Rogue.

Well I agree at some point, but fury is one of the best dueling spec atm. Geared fury, didn’t you notice?

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Ah I’m not talking about “current meta” or “geared vs geared”, I’m talking about the core class design & 1v1 scenarios. Like against a single Rogue as mentioned by the OP. And even considering the meta, whatever dmg Fury has, would still require that it is able to connect with the other class.

Also, the rated charts only show team based PvP where comps come into play, which allow Fury to connect to the opponent with the assistance of a teammate.

On its own, Warrior in general no matter the spec, is designed as a “team player class”. It’s not a class you play if you like solo PvP. So if you go into a BG and you encounter a Rogue (or any other class that can kite well, self-heal or CC) on your own, you have to either be a much better player than the Rogue, or be much better geared.

I’m not saying “Warrior is bad in PvP”, because that is not at all true. Warrior is a TOP class in PvP WITH a teammate. I’m also not saying that “you can’t win in a 1v1 as a Warrior”… Because player vs player based combat is a fluid experience, with many unknown elements.

However in general, Warrior IS a bad solo experience in PvP because of how it’s core class is designed. And if OP seeks a class that can stand on its own while, let’s say defending a CP from another player, then nearly any other class will have a better chance at winning in that scenario. :slightly_smiling_face:

They play double time with root taken, I’m not sure if fury needs any assistance to be able to stick on the target now. My words are about current state of fury warrior, not about how it was back in a days or previous expansion

Massively depends on the skill of the warrior watch for d stance rotation between avatar/warbreaker, sometimes bladestorm. More of a pita now thanks to the execute/charge bs.

This is the hard part - if bad they can panic and avatar/bladestorm or even warbreaker/avatar/bladestorm.
Likewise for Fury watch for recklessness and enrage - especially if you’re out of defensive CD’s. Pm game over.

Try to save vanish for a full commit. Sometimes it’s easy, sometimes you screw it up.

Some warriors are gonna wait for evasion, stormbolt, position behind you and shred. Fury can tank you down in this time frame so try to hold onto trinket. (Keep in mind it has a 30? Second cooldown….)

Fury is a monster atm. Thankfully, not many are that great.

If sub they wait for shadowblades and disarm or parry depending on spec.

Again if sub your game plan will be around symbol/SB. He knows that you know that.
If assass then play the CD check and keep the poison up for reduce heals, be wary of storm line up with fury though, they also have enraged regen.

Be wary of fear. Some will hold for kidney then trink/fear into a heaving wall of metal to your face.

IF you do end up short handed - do what a rogue does best and stall for CD’s. I have no idea what spec you play but understanding the cds of another class is, infinitely useful as a rogue. It’s all a game of rotating your cds and defensives in a manor that you control the flow.

Don’t blow all your cds in one hit, likewise don’t blow defensives needlessly.

  • This is pm my scrub knowledge and what I try to do. Warriors aren’t so much a pain alone, with a healer, more so Fury atm. It’s a colossal pain. Though I hear Outlaw/healer rolls into them pretty hard.

Sub really is a unique but difficult spec and one that imo has an insanely high skill ceiling and benefits massively from you being one of those people who can be like 10/15 steps ahead mentally.

I’m frankly pants at that and rely solely on experience so generally any class I struggle with is who I go headhunting or duelling for practice.

Play outlaw and you hard counter warriors who carry their healers by being so tanky

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