Fun detected, lets not nerf it, let us jump in with both feet and completely gut it. Thats the blizzard way.
back to spamming flash/holy light, rest of the phase is gonna be great, really excited. thanks blizz
It wasnt a stealth nerf, theres a blue post.
you suggest people to look at pally logs yet you didnt do it yourself.
prots viable, holys viable, look at ret dps logs, doing pretty poorly on that end.
https:// sod.warcraftlogs. com/zone/statistics/2012#
Top 4 from the bottom in terms of melee dps consistently.
LOL trying to pull the âskill issueâ-card when you play shaman which have been busted for 3 phases straight. You barely lost anything important and get new fun runes to be busted once more.
While other classes get gutted quite often, ele/resto shamans are literally having a blast in any content and any nerf is instantly rewarded with a buff as compensation.
There are better âi-winâ buttons than bubble currently, and all of which even have shorters CDs than bubble.
The favoritism has been real since day one of SoD, unreal how those devs even keep their jobs and claim that they play the game when all they do is just buffing horde over multiple months.
Alliance gets WF and horde priest abilities
Horde gets Alliance Weapon Specs, Alliance Priest Abilities, Kings from hunters, still got agi/str totem.
The bloody fact that the player base was told to simply play whatever without getting massively screwed over turns into a favortism. Whatâs next theyâll do?
Give horde even more alliance racials while we get +15 herbalism from taurens?
Here you go again making a mountain out of a molehill.
So alliance doesnât get axe, fist, dagger⊠specializations? Why do you leave that out?
Does alliance not benefit from having a much more convenient source for kings?
Alliance has that, they just donât consider it worth using, that big of an advantage it is that people cba to use it.
More like the devs gave strong hints what will happen and alliance players went: âLALALALALALALA canât hear you over the sound of playing cute females and knights and 
â
And then the thing happens and every knight is forever teary eyed over âmuh racialâ.
Man look at all these alliance racials Iâm having, if I go behind paladins in PvP that is literally shadowmeld in combat! vanish even! you jelly m8?
Making the tank basically take 0 dmg by spamming Divine light bubble apply seemed balanced. Being 1000hps above other healers seemed balanced⊠#Nerfpaladins, tank and retri needs nerf too.
Go easy man! Youâre scaring off the prey, you canât tell them about our secret ner⊠I mean purge weapon like that!
Every race can get any weapon skill or/and free spellhit (thank god honestly, 16% hit without talents is quite frankly whack).
Paladins who could go for it, like HPal and PPal then donât pick it at all and if you somehow donât got a hunter to cover it, then itâs no kings.
Had*, past tense. Prot/ret paladins did not use it in favor of either SoM or DS, and hpal wouldâve taken a spot in a melee grp just to get HoL out, aka griefing a melee . There were complications running it to say the least. It was replaced with Consec AoE heal rune⊠aka a useless rune for HPals.
All changes that literally buffed horde DPS by 100-500 DPS in PvE whilst already outperforming in PvP by miles, with threat buff + agi/str totems.
Yeah totally not picking favorites by making PvE and PvP almost easymode.
oh no an ability that literally can be cast 3-5 times is OP, meanwhile itâs boring easy for yâall on horde side.
in regards to the weapon racials i do want to point out that you arenât being screwed over, even though it might look like it at first glance.
iâve seen human players make a big fuss about other races now having access to sword/mace specialization, the argument being that those racials are now âuselessâ and thus no longer advantageous.
this couldnât be further from the case tbh.
remember that there are spell hit runes and a defense ring rune.
if you are a human you essentially get a free extra ring rune slot if you are using mace or sword, because now you are free to choose (in case of paladin for example) +6% holy hit and +25 defense and still enjoy the perks from your inherent racial bonus as long as you are using a mace or a sword.
dwarves canât do this. they need to use a weapon skill ring rune and then choose between holy hit or defense.
blizzard found a perfect balance between giving everyone access to all weapon racials while not making inherent weapon racials useless.
as an orc, iâll be able to do something similar; if iâm using axes, iâll be able to use +25 defense and +6% fire/nature (or simply fire + nature) ring runes and still make use of my axe racial.
Haha! No worries, man, Iâm just glad people are discussing these issues!
Technically, the nerf went ahead and the hotfix notes came after. But I agree weâre essentially quibbling over technicalities at this point 
No there arenât, ret is most OP class in pvp atm because it kills in 3 globals while being immune to dmg/cc.
I saw a lvl 56 ret pala in av kill a war then killed enhance shaman right after, both were lvl 60 but not much they can do when they play vs iwin spec.
If there was a 1v1 tourny finals would be ret pala vs ret pala
healer/tank/pvp = defense/holy hit, weapon skill is meaningless in PvP and tanks benefit more from def/hit than +5.
dpspve = holy+weapon
but yes in essence.
3 Globals? What are you smoking? In r10+AV mace levels of gear I hit people for 400.
DS is 440 damage
CS is 400x0.75.
Rets donât global unless they twist, and even then it is not enough in 90% of cases.
Also laughs in Balefire Bolt just deleting bubble.
Ele/Resto Shaman hybrids, boomies, hunters, rogues laugh at paladin. Even warlocks have better odds.
ah, mb then, I been away this week on holiday and read it on my phone through the week, came back today and logged in and it is indeed live. Not particularly looking forward to tonights raid now. Super disappointing.
Maybe they laugh if they meet you, but other paladins that know how to play, they cry cuz they see unkillable god killing them in 3 globals.
Except maybe resto shaman that has to cast 20 heals in row i guess - how sad there is 1 spec out of 20 that can survive bubble and ret dmg afterall #buffrets.
400? so you cant outdmg a renew tick, i am glad you exposed yourself as worlds worst paladin then/ biggest clown liar on the internet.
Edit: ok nvm i just checked ur posts you actually cried about paladins since this game came out, this is clearly a l2p issue too bad months of gametime didnt help the case but what can you do some ppl are just that bad.
If you had a brain, then you would actually know that other paladins also have the same issue unless they are free bashing a mage. But even that is hardly a thing anymore, especially with HP buffs in BRM/BGs.
yeah you are bait, there are more specs with hybrid/mobility potential to survive the 3 gcd+bubble but okay.
renew heals for less than my swing, what are you yapping? if anything you have exposed yourself for how clueless you are.
As usual the typical horde response of L2P and gaslighting other classes/specs rather than actually viewing this objectively.
You have played easymode in PvP and PvE, yet you are quite frankly too stupid to realize it.
divine light has been way to strong, but other spells could be buffed for sure. Holy shock could be buffed for range and possibly make it a bit like holy prism
I am playing alliance and horde donât wanna burst your little bubble you live in, but as a player that has over 10 rank1 titles since vanilla wotlk-shadowlands retail i assure you if you had racial usable from every single race in game you would still lose in a 1v1 vs me in any expansion you can think of including sod on any spec you can think of.
I would still lose to good ret palas in sod unless im a ret paladin myself or resto shaman i guess.
Nobody cares whos typing that nonsense tbh, literally anyone with brain (finding yours is straightup impossible) and knowing the facts on how busted shaman is, would want to nerf it ASAP. The sentiment is the same on NA.
Too bad the trolls and shamans gaslight hunters and paladins whilst they have it braindead mode on horde. Itâs not an opinion, itâs a fact.
Yep problem is in every1 else its not you for sure.
Denial is phase1
ainât denial if the facts speak otherwise. keep gaslighting clown.
Yet another paladin whining, followed by another paladin screeching about shamans. Any and all nerfs to paladins are justified.