And if you don’t get stun?
Then you control the fight of course.
Factually untrue, reported for trolling.
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Like you are somebody to me to care about what you think.
its not about what i think
Bear Form = same armor as any plate user has because its armor has been reduced.
The majority of the classes ignore armor anyway.
Its self heal has been reduced too.
And as for 11.2, bear form will reduce even less damage.
“tank” ? what am I tanking bro your absurd takes ?
Its same as warrior def stance, but kinda worse
A couple of years ago, when I played Windwalker (back when they dealt only physical damage), Bear Form was essentially a bubble for me.
If I saw a Feral shift into Bear, I had to instantly switch targets. This wasn’t some 3-minute cooldown save CD, it was a baseline ability, and it shouldn’t have worked like that.
Also, during Shadowlands, one Frenzied Regeneration was enough to fully heal a Feral from any HP.
It was effectively a 30-second cooldown Lay on Hands HoT. Compare that to something like a Hunter’s Exhilaration, and the disparity was laughable.
To put things in perspective, I still remember back in Icecrown Citadel—after one of the bosses, there’s a part where you drop down a ledge.
I jumped down, hit the ground with almost 0 HP, and Frenzied Regeneration auto-triggered and healed me back to full.
No input, no cast, just a passive, instant full-heal from death. It was pretty silly.
Feral can also reset or stall with mobility and CC. He doesn’t need those “I win” buttons.
Eventually, it had to be nerfed—and that’s exactly what happened.
I don’t know in what parallel universe those things were considered OK. But you can cry and whine all you want.
And now this thread is a troll fiesta.
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Ill adress things one by one because you talk about the past, while at the same time feral was never really above B+ tier in this timeframe you’re relating to.
You’re also using a lot of overexhaggerations in your first comment along with your second and I wonna stop you there before there is more to come.
Since you clearly want to have a discussion but you are unaware how cringe it is to be use overexaggeration in the core of your arguments.
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If I saw a Feral shift into Bear, I had to instantly switch targets. This wasn’t some 3-minute cooldown save CD, it was a baseline ability, and it shouldn’t have worked like that.
You bring a lot of random nonsense that is irrelevent to the current state, and is even false for the situations back in the day to some extent.
Lets adress some stuff in a more structured way since this is being really chaotic way of arguing, rusky:
Bear Form was rightfully nerfed for the time when it was an issue however many things have changed, havent they ? So I really struggle to understand why we talk about the past ? Is this some form of revange-ism or what is this immature argument, i really struggle to understand.
Because as far as I know every class is given extra defensives while ferals defensives are getting nerfed, on top of that immunity and dodge/parry mechanics are give out for free while feral is receiving yet another 4 ~ % dmg reduction on bear form (from removing Lycaras Teachings Versatility buff).
First-> Frenzied Healing is for 32% for 3 seconds, which makes it 4, because its on the global cooldown. Idk from where the other 68% come from.
It also is affected by Dampening. Exhileration is not affected by dampening and is not on the global Cooldown. As far as I know Hunters are Mail users, and as far as I know they got Pet- Sanc, and an immunity, feign death, they can kyte pretty good and can CC as a form of final means of defense.
Another thing Id like to add is that Regrowth is also nerfed and on top of that Swiftmend has been completely REMOVED.
Again, its a 32% heal. It cannot fill you up to 100%.
It currently heals for 20%
Stop being untruthful.
Ill be reporting you for trolling.
The perspective of a liar?
It takes 3 seconds to heal u for 20% in PvP. 32% if you’re in a PVE situation
Idk how 3 seconds are instant for you but even if you combine the passive with activating Frenzied Regen it will take you minimum 7 seconds to get to 40% during PvP combat and 64% during PvE encounter.
Yeah, not really.
Every class is given so much mobility the last 4 patches that this ability is greately diminished. Combine this with unremovable slows that were introduced recently and you get what im saying.
You might be able to do it in some cases, admitedly, yet why am i even bothering giving the benefit of the doubt to a liar? Anyway, i digress…
Feral is not immune to roots.
Yeah, tell us, from where do you come from ? Gasslight city ?
I do wonder what exactly ‘inspired’ the move to put maim on half a minute cd. Cannot be pve related…
But yes it’s still a future outlook, but I will foresee that feral will be in it’s worst state it’s been for years to this one ‘little’ change.
MS nerf was not needed either, but that can be compensated for by other classes. But maim is such a strong, strong spell for offensive and defensive that this is going to break feral more then any past nerf these last years have done.
And as I said already, buffs or nerfs to dmg is usually changed throughout the ssn’s, but a hard change to a spell is gonna stick for a very long time. And that is the concerning part.
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we have Tww, Sl was many years Ago.
ww was in df a feral counter, if you lost as a ww to an feral it is 100% skill issue
yeah, no
ww monks onetapped me sometimes with an spinning crane kick proc in Sl.
When someone says Bear Form is strong or weak now, it’s fair to remember where it came from and why it was buffed or nerfed in the first place.
I’m just pointing out how ridiculously overtuned Bear used to be against physical damage, and why that led to the changes we have today.
I think Bear Form shouldn’t a “true” defensive cooldown. If Ferals need extra defensives, a better solution is asking Blizzard to add one, not reverting Bear Form to a 0 seconds CD shield wall.
I just rewatched an old Skill Capped video — and yes, it healed from 10% to full. That was the reality in Shadowlands.
It might sound weird or unintended.
The video is titled “50 Things ONLY SMART PEOPLE Know in WoW Shadowlands PvP!” — feel free to check it yourself.
Aaaaah, OK — so Hunter’s heal isn’t affected, but this one is, right?
So by that logic, no healing can ever be overtuned as long as it’s affected by Dampening?
Yeah… great logic you’ve got there, bro.
Right — but you probably understood what I meant.
Ferals have so many mobility tools and shapeshifting to remove roots that it often feels like immunity.
I’d really prefer we keep this respectful.
I haven’t lied about anything:
– I did have to switch targets the moment a Feral hit Bear Form.
– Frenzied Regeneration was overtuned to absurd levels in Shadowlands.
– Everything I’ve said reflects my actual experience at the time.
Disagreeing is fine, but let’s keep it constructive.
The changes didnt come today, they came 1 expansion ago.
Its exactly the reason why you’re wrong.
I already said that Bear Form needed nerf,
but currently it doesnt need a further one, yet indirectly we receieve -4% ~ more damage taken via the removal of Lycara.
Bear form is not a 0 CD shield wall.
Most abilities bypass the armor though any plate class has the same armor as me in Bear. For example Defensive Stance of warriors gives them ~10% more defensiveness than Bear form from all damage. While Bear Form gives 4% dmg reduction of all damage which will be gone.
Nobody is asking for them to revert the armor of bear form- just to not nerf it further ? are you blind ?
Yes ?
You’re again using exhaggeration and i want you to go to google and type in “logical fallacies” and see that you’re illogical and you dont belong on any kind of forum discussion, even on a gaming one.
No, start using words to express what you mean. And stop rellying on exhaggerations to get your point across.
Its manipulative and toxic.
And quite untruthful.
Ah, feelings.
More logical fallacies.
Then stop being deceitful to put this lightly ?
I also had to switch targets during Defensive Stance and during Fists of Fury. What now ?
Is it Shadowlands still ?
We are not talking about the past but current expansion.
Calling you out suddenly is non-constructive ?
Buddy, get out of here.
Feral has been highly represented in AWC pretty much every expansion from what I remember at least from Legion most of the time making it into finals.
The reality is, spec is not very friendly to an average shuffle enjoyer (you), that’s why you come here every day and write essays that nobody cares about and nobody reads. He’s giving you an example of Shadowlands design which was an absolute abomination ferals regularly outhealing their healers - which is the core reason why healing was adressed.
Why are you so arrogant, you’re a nobody remember. Maybe get of your high horse. You’ll just get another WoW account banned with this attitude.
This thread was a troll fiesta from post 1 wdym
well the sooner you are finished playing this victim spec, the sooner you can hop on
DH
WW
Rogue
you know…the other leather wearers just like you, except they have :
multiple immunity buttons compared to your damage sponge form (I-win-buttons)
multiple instant cc buttons compared to your casted clone (more i-win-buttons)
more front loaded damage and burst than you (more i-win-buttons)
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Hes refering to the time pre SL. Which is Irrelevent even if im wrong - something which im not.
How should I disect this for a simpleton?
reason-> action → reason no longer exists → no need for further action → action taken regardless = no reason → original reason = obsolete →
This is the reason why the initial “why” is irrelevent because the conditions changed, and we are no longer talking about what has been but what is and what will be.
Holy Spaghetti raviolli, every other player class interraction is irrelevent but you literally you need the power of the holy trinity when you talking to a ret paladin or a hunter.
You’re playing this class for too long in combination of watching tiktok
All right, mate then can you show me your non shuffle feral druid , you silly paladin enjoyer with a taken name that u couldnt came up with a proper one.
not even a bubble but a cyst of an ego- coudlve named it Egocyst or smth, idk.
I said multiple times that the reason is justified, but not any longer. So further removal of Bear Forms defensives is not needed.
Are above average (mine) sentences too complex for you ?
Try chatgpt for a short form? Too much tiktok couldnt give you the attention span to follow what is written or what is it with you ?
I know what hes doing and im literally sending him to google “logical fallacies” because what hes trying to say is irrelevent and blatantly untrue if not weaponized naivity, or should i say again-> lying.
Because Im tired of half eaten peanuts wiggling in skulls. (you)
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