Hunter Shadowlands

[Mogwai-stormscale]

2 things that pvp hunters needs changing… (and the rest!)

1. Why is Lock ‘n’ Load on GCD? Makes no sense, gives unnecessary ramp up time. Considering that most hunters in pvp run Kyrian, resonating arrow also is on GCD, so 3 sec before any burst can be used if executed perfectly? (takes more time if aiming if healer in cc nearby, being peeled etc)

2. WHY DOES TAR TRAP CAUSE CAMO TO BREAK!!! Freezing trap doesn’t, binding shot doesn’t, feign death doesn’t… so why tar trap?

[Tabouret-kazzak]

I’d rather take a lower baseline on Aspect of the cheetah (3 minute CD to run faster for 3 seconds… ) and more reliable sustain options.
Some more pet tankiness as well, of course.

[Jaki-blackrock]

@Mogwai-stormscale

Why is Lock ‘n’ Load on GCD? Makes no sense, gives unnecessary ramp up time. Considering that most hunters in pvp run Kyrian, resonating arrow also is on GCD, so 3 sec before any burst can be used if executed perfectly? (takes more time if aiming if healer in cc nearby, being peeled etc)

Yeah you are right it would be soo much better better for the game if enemies could not react in a GCD to MM Hunter…

That is the solution.

/s

[Ridtur-outland (Ridtur)]

The issues with MM are:

• MM (and Hunters in general) don’t have enough CC to cover cross-CC. There are simply too many anti-CCs in the game for Hunter to be viable with 1 trap on a 30sec CD as their main / only form of CC (Intervene, BoP, Sac, Mass Dispel, Greater Fade, Grounding, Imp Dispel, Havoc Reflect etc etc).
• MM nuke has too many globals. Resonating Arrow, Double Tap, L&L etc etc. Everything is on global. It takes 4-5 globals to just start dealing damage, by this time the CC is already over, and if you “pre-pop” your CDs prior to getting CC you’ve just telegraphed to the entire world that you’re about to try to CC the enemy team.
• MM DPS rotation is too immobile. Aimed Shot being a ~3sec stationary cast just doesn’t work in PvP.
• MM Honor Talents are too good / bad / awkward / mandatory. There are too many things that are mandatory which ought to be baseline that aren’t (e.g. Roar of Sacrifice). There are too many awkward talents that just suck compared to other classes (Spider’s Sting as compared to Silencing Shot, Scatter Shot on DR with things other than itself etc).
• Pet dies too fast and is impossible to get up again without wasting too many defensives.

Solutions?

• Remove GCD of some MM burst CDs
• Reduce damage of Aimed Shot, reduce cast time and make it cast-while-moving (Honor Talent)
• Baseline Roar of Sacrifice, Hi-Explosive Trap, Scatter Shot
• Scatter Shot DRs only itself
• Replace all “stings” Honor Talents with Silencing Shot
• Re-introduce Wyvern Sting as an Honor Talent
• Increase pet HP / damage taken

Honestly though stuff like WoG insta-heals, all CDs one-shots on half the viable specs in the game, insane counter-CC / defensives like Intervene / Imp Dispel etc need to go for Hunters to be viable.

Hunters are not good in meleecleave meta and Hunters are not good in castercleave meta lmao. When are Hunters good? Never.

[Brodanyo-burning-legion (Brodanyo)]

Simple solution - reroll Venthyr BM that will be buffed tomorrow. BM can setup traps on it’s own and Venthyr covenant spell is op for them.