I’m lonely and bored

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Hello Argent Dawn. Fellow roleplayer here. I need to get this off my chest.

I have been rather bored not just with wow, but with most MMO’s in general. I often find myself having a blast playing singer player games.

However, the thing that has got me going in wow has always been nostalgia and Roleplay. I’m not much of a M+, raid, pvp kinda person. I love roleplaying, i love exploring, and I LOVE reading up on lore, in fact I make sure to read the whole lore of a race before roleplaying it to give the best experience. That’s how passionate I am about it.

In recent months, I remember making a thread to improve the Wastewanders by adding some children NPC’s and basically humanizing them a bit, since they have been there in the desert since Warcraft 3. Especially as an Arab I would appreciate it more.

That thread turned into utter Chaos and racism and hypocrisy which made me leave the general forums. All because I suggested to improve the Wastewanders a bit so that they are fun to Roleplay. I even took a second opinion on the thread and asked someone else if the reaction I received on that thread was bad? They said it was indeed chaotic and it gave them a headache reading only
Half of it. The reactions I got was unnecessary.

This alone made me consider leaving the game. I felt like I didn’t want to Roleplay anymore. I didn’t want to stay anymore.

For the past 2 months, after the thread was closed, I’ve been hesitant to make friends as I was mistrustful. I spent my time role playing alone and joining random people in Stormwind until I got bored and eventually left the game temporarily.

I do have the urge to come back, I do, but then I remember some of the horrible responses I’ve gotten in the forums, and it makes me hesitant to Roleplay. Not only did I drop the Wastewander idea in my head (I was planning to Roleplay an old lady merchant who sells camels). I also dropped most of my rp ideas including a pandaren mage, Vulpera hunter, night elf Druid. I was just tired.

I’m sorry for ruining your weekend. I just needed to vent. We need to be better as a community and more accepting. The RP numbers have already gone down over the years. We need to improve and make a safe environment so we can raise up those numbers again.

I have nothing but huge love for the wow community as I met many amazing people here. But there are also some bad people.

I know someone is going to type “dramatic” before even reading what I wrote. And I don’t care anymore. Type away.

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I assume you mean General Discussion rather than Argent Dawn? Because as far as I know GD is kind of a toxic cesspool regardless of what’s being presented and they probably look at all RPers with “LOL CRINGE xD” type responses. I wouldn’t take it personally.

I will say as a general rule of thumb that we don’t tend to see many child NPCs overall. We see vulpera ones (and they are frankly nightmare inducing), but I think the reason why you’d specifically not see children in Uldum/Tanaris is because of everything going on in BFA. It’s a bit of a meme that in single-player RPGs that you cannot hurt or kill the children (despite them often deserving the sharp end of a sword) but I assume the reason that’s so persistent is that allowing the player - or really anyone for that matter - to harm or even threaten harm to a virtual child may change the permitted age rating, although this is purely speculative on my part.

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:+1:

Indeed. It was a suggestion for the overall future. I even said they can do it anytime even if it’s not Dragonflight.

Like whenever Kalimdor gets a revamp, that would be the time to do it. And I’m assuming it might get revamped soon when the night elves get their new home. Who knows. :thinking:

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Dramatic

No, seriously, your thoughts are valid and not something to apologise for. My brain’s a bit fried today so I can’t be more elaborative than that, but I don’t think that anything you’ve said is wrong.

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Fair dues about wanting them further developed but… Why child NPC’s of all things? While I agree many races, concepts, factions and locations would be really cool to see fleshed out and expanded upon, why that of all possible additions? Would there not be less strange things to add/place to make them a more expanded concept/lore entity, such as settlements or similar? A genuine albeit confused question.

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There’s one quest where you kill Actual Children in the game. It’s an Alliance quest.

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Skyrim has a mod for you in this regard. : )

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Well the Wastewanders were hostile bandits before BFA, and after BFA they’ve become neutral and friendly humans who are friendly to both horde and alliance. That’s what’s fun about role playing, you can talk to orcs (as a human) fun, right?

As for the children, it humanizes them a bit. At least 1 or 2 Child NPC. Makes them… more human I guess. Also if you do the math, they’ve been there since Warcraft 3, there are men and women Wastewanders, I mean… logically…. There has to be one two child there. Otherwise they would die out population wise.

They could also humanize them in other ways like making a small bazaar area with friendly merchants who sell unique stuff. But knowing Blizzard, they probably want to add easy stuff and children NPC’s are already in the game.

Hope this makes sense I’m bad at explaining if you can’t tell.

Look at video below, specifically time 25:50

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Heroic fanfare plays, they’re totally the good guys!

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Those Trolls had it coming, I tell you! How dare they threaten the might of Ironforge with their handfull of Ice Troll kids! If they just had peacefully died off, the Dwarves and Gnomes wouldn’t have had to help them! (<-- this is sarcasm, btw)

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omw :oncoming_automobile:

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NPC wise you cannot kill human children. Only the adults are killable if you are the opposite faction.

In the case of the Wastewanders they are neutral and cannot be killed by horde or alliance anyway. (As of BFA)

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Not human children, but Alliance players kill troll children in a quest.

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Yeah that’s messed up. Even for a war game haha.

If you think about it, the player character have done some crazy messed up things to trolls. There are 5 or 6 dungeons where you go to troll capital cities, kill everyone inside; even the neutral citizens, it’s pretty messed up what happens to trolls.

  • Zul’Aman
  • Zul Gurub
  • Zul Farrak
    Can’t remember what else

But let’s not go off topic

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Kids, uldum and rp dont go well together.

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kids and RP dont go well together in general, because of sick people. the problem is mainly them and their sick minds.

to clarify im roleplaying a old lady. in her 70s. the kids i suggested are just meant to humanize the wastewanders for NPC’s. nothing more. If you go to any stormwind kingdom city there are kids and even pet dogs to make the kingdom appear normal and good. like its a group of families trying to survive a war.

example shown below, this picture was taken in stormwind.

https://i.imgur.com/1YxodDG.png

in lore the wastewanders probably have kids, they just arent shown in-game, because of the Nzoth assaults

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If you say, “I’d like to see child NPCs to reflect a more living/multi-faceted world” and someone goes “hmm sus” then they’re the problem not you. :pray:

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exactly :laughing:

i may not be a parent, but i do have a niece who i have been baby-sitting ever since she was born. I became a parent-figure to her. She saved me from going depressed during the pandemic.

Thats why i love the idea fatherhood or motherhood. They really “humanize” the group of people, even in a time of distress, and as you said they create a more living and a more realistic population of humans.

the kids might even be the thing that encourages you to fight harder to protect your family against the wars of the world. (of warcraft).

this is not the sims 4 where you change diapers and watch your kids grow lmao. This is just meant to create a bigger world and more realistic population. in RP.

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I hope we can steer somewhat clear of the topic that introduced such a horrible reaction to begin with, as I can tell that’s not really what this thread is about. I don’t see anything wrong or any reason to argue with the suggestion, either.

I agree that the forums can easily snowball and people will read you in terribly bad faith (as seen in a previous reply :see_no_evil:). I’ve almost quit roleplay several times too, just on the basis of feeling terribly unwelcome both IC and OOC and having a hard time finding a community or a solid source of RP that provides what I’m interested in without judgement or demands.

While it’s still our responsibilities to put ourselves out there, reach out for roleplay and try to improve the community ourselves rather than just moping about - it’s still pretty telling that so many people feel this kind of othering. As you said, RP is “dying” to some degree, so I really hope we can start trying to put our differences aside and be more inviting towards each other.

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Children do be existing. Rping as one isn’t great for a multitude of reasons, but OP isn’t suggesting that here. Only having some NPC’s around to make the Wastewanders appear more like an actual society? We have them Stormwind, Kul Tiras and Orgrimmar, among other places.

I can’t recall what happened in your original thread, but you should absolutely feel free to come back and try RP again.

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