I am 99.9999% sure that BG Random matchmaking is broken or heavy biased for premade groups

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I’m going to be brutally honest. I think the matchmaking is completely broken or, at least, biased towards premade groups.

Why? I will post my BG random stats for everyone to see:

My Mage, played bg random through Wotlk and a bit of Cataclysm:

Total BGs: 383
Most Played: Alterac 208
BG won: 10

YES. 10. That’s a 2.61% Winrate.

The other chars I used for play random bgs are bugged, my DK has 68 total bgs and it shows I won 101 total bgs. That I won 93 Alterac valleys and I didn’t even played 60.

My warlock is even worse, I had around 13% winrate with this char but I played in Vanilla (I wanted rank 10), a bit in BC and wotlk and A LOT in cataclysm. The stats are:

Total BGS: 506
Most played: Arathi
Wins: 490

I am 100% sure that the stats are bugged because it says that I have 99 wins in Arathi, 99 in Alterac (lol sure 99 wins in the horde), 98 in Eye of the storm, and by far the worst bit: 99 wins in Warsong. I can bet MY LIFE that I didn’t won even 10 warsong EVER.

So, the only real data I have is my mage and my personal experience. You can say that is “Skill issue” and I will say that, ok, just think that I am literally the worst PvP player in the entire world, I dont care, it even helps my case, BUT 2% winrate? In RANDOM Battleground? That’s just impossible in a truly RANDOM setting. My actual experience is this:

I q up solo q random bg as horde. I join the match. Group full of green geared people, ok, that’s fine, everyone needs to gear up… and the oponents are FULL premade of fully geared people. Every - single - random - bg - since - TBC.

I refuse to believe that there are ONLY 10 people in the entire EU region trying random bg for gear. I just refuse to believe that is what is happening here.

Maybe its an horde thing? Maybe in the alliance is different… lets try a few random bg as an alliance…

THE - LITERALLY - EXACT - SAME but now the green geared people are alliance but playing as horde (or fully geared premade playing as horde) :slight_smile:

The only thing that makes sense is that there are 2 queues, 1 for premades and 1 for soloq random people like me, and, instead of playing premade vs premade, they are actually matching premade groups vs random soloq people. That’s the ONLY explanation for this matchmaking SINCE TBC (and Vanilla had similar problems).

Again, let’s just assume that I am the worst player of all time, the WOAT of WoW PvP, statistically its impossible for a RANDOM QUEUE to have 2% of winrate. Its literally impossible to NOT be matched with other fully geared random people. IMPOSSIBLE to NOT be matched vs other green geared random people. Its just impossible if the system is working correctly.

Maybe it is working correctly and matching fully geared premade groups vs random green and blue geared soloq players is how the system is should work, if that’s the case just say it.

This is a post I wanted to create since wotlk. I always had this feeling about how the matchmaking works but I thought that maybe thats because is “a horde thing” but no, the alliance players have the same exact issue and I KNOW FOR A FACT that there are people with even worse winrate than me. Atleast 2 more people have closer to 1% than to 2%, with 1000+ random bgs played since Vanilla.

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100 % they should do item-level brackets that would make it more fair. Dont have to be a super narrow magien but still it would solve a lot of the problemes.

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Honestly it’s not premades you’re facing, it’s just that the vast majority of alliance PVPers play on Firemaw. If we’re going to go to the effort of making a premade we’d queue for an RBG instead of a random BG and earn conquest rather than honour.

On alliance we mostly either queue into Russians who seem to take random BGs super seriously (we lose a lot) or we queue into alliance teams (50/50 we’ll win). Every so often we find non-Russian horde, not sure what the w/l is in those games though.

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Thing is, since mid cata I’ve been playing in Firemaw and nothing changes, well, other than now my team is “horde” or theyr full 390 team is roleplaying as horde.

The big problem is that there is an obvious match vs green geared soloq people vs 5 stacks full PvP or even 10 random fully geared soloq-ers

iLvl brackets would solve the problem, just make teams play against other team with a similar “avg” ilvl.

Alliance:

4-390s
4-333s
2-370s

VS

Horde:

5-390s
4-333s
1-370s

Or even better:

9- 333s
1- 310

vs

5- 333
1- 370
4 - 310

I can’t understand why there is no system in place like this. You can match alliance vs alliance/horde vs horde, it should be extremely easy to do.

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isn’t it just the bias that as alliance it is straightforward to get gear, because you basically enter a bg, you win it easily and you literally gear up (atleast) full honor gear within like two days, on the other day, as a horde player, you are just stuck to getting honor for losing, which gives you approximately one piece for 2 hours of just logging into bgs and waiting for the 90 honor for lose each time?
Same for wintergrasp. Since t12, ive not won a single wintergrasp as horde, it’s simply NOT possible.

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That is what I thought but, again, during cata I played alliance and the experience is exactly the same. The problem is that the matchmaking is broken or biased.

Matching greengeared people constantly in the same team vs fully geared players is the norm and not an exception.

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Well, I had the opposite experience as alliance, almost 90% win rate, and 100% winrate in wintergrasp. In classical bg’s it yea… seemed balanced, sometimes win, sometimes lose, but definitely not as on the horde side …
btw. im currently on a 17 games lose streak as a horde xd

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I thought that was a thing already? When I left in 2011/12 ish there was a gear check for worn items and items in your bags.

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Hey, I feel your “pain”, but as someone who plays a lot of battlegrounds, and have done so since classic vanilla. In my experience, it comes in waves. And as someone who has played alliance for the majority of the time, since TBC (probably 70% as alliance, 30% as horde).

I currently have; 15x lvl 85 alliance characters split on 3 different realms. 3x lvl 80 horde characters split on 2 different realms (a lot of lvl 80 horde characters, that I just didn’t bother lvl during cata). Every one of these 85s, has been honor gearing through battlegrounds in atleast 1-3 seasons.

That was not the point, but it was to tell you, that i’ve gone through the ranks of being undergeared and overgeared (if that’s even a thing). Nowadays i’m mostly doing random bgs on more geared characters, as I see no point gearing, in this end phase (prepatch launching now).

In my experience, during TBC the overgeared faction, was always horde. This goes without saying, that it was a huge problem. It never really was. Strangely, it has always seemed, as if alliance had more of a hardcore following (in pvp), and horde were filled up with players, just rolling their bis class/race combination. Every since wotlk popped, the tides slowly turned, to the advantage of the alliance (we all know why… Humans).

Right now, I will say there is a disadvantage to playing as horde. There definetely is. BUT! I do queue into poorly geared people on both factions (both as opponents and/or teammates).

I don’t believe there is any weird scenario, that certain characters are “locked” into only being faced up against certain players. However, I do know a lot of arena players, likes to jump in with their mates to stomp a bg or two, as a little fun warm up (I used to do that myself, all the time, back in retail, yeeeears ago). Those things are very much real, and it happens even more so, whenever a season has ended, as the arena players, has nothing else going on, but to wait for the next season to start.

I personally hold a fairly good winrate in various battlegrounds. I could probably dig the whole stat spreadsheet up sometime (I kept track of it during wotlk, as a fun side gig. It was also the expansion, that I played the most, and therefore will have the most accuracte stats).

I will be honest. If I queue up with someone, we our team tend to win most of the time. Many battlegrounds, are fairly “easy” to stomp, and overthrow, by having a good understanding of eachother, the strategy, and instant communication. That’s just how it is.

Some people, like to communicate in the chat, others don’t. BUT! If I queue up with someone, we tend to talk less in the chat, because our communication is mostly based in voicechat. I know that many of my mates do the same. It can sometimes be a sign of people playing in teams, but there isn’t enough evidence to draw a straight line. Just something to keep an eye out for.

I hope your “luck” changes, and that you will start taking more joy into the battleground queues. :slight_smile:

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