I dont Care if all rogues Will hate me for this. One ability should not be this broken and make our other options like saberslash/swords be so useless. This is a clip from Yesterday of me ganking some guy on stream (listen to what even he says), and truth is i agree. Rogue 1 shots payo
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Presume you used thistle tea too?
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I did but it wont matter though since its a rogue item. And if They just made muti back to 60 energy again i would not been able to do the same kind of dmg with tea. But all i want is other Runes to be viable. Not all likes playing mutilate its boring:).
You are not gonna kill like this without tea and dagger CD.
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Doesnt matter lol? I can tea every 5 min ? . And trust me even without mutilate is still broken.
i agree also but currently mutilate is the only strong ability we have.
we’re already average in pve, if they nerf muti, we’ll be trash and won’t be able to raid at all.
I agree bro. But i also ask for an alternative if They should nerf it. Like making atleast saber slash good again or something Else. I just hate being limited to mutilate its such a boring playstyle.
MAKE SABER SLASH GREAT AGAIN !
Would be nice indeed.
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Yes, you are right in your view, but in my opinion, saber slash would never be added, because adding skill makes a big mess like we all see, we already have opener and finisher which do a bleeding damage, also talents to improve them too… We ending like this: Mutilate does more dmg from ambush and any instant finisher with 5 CP, taking in account that it gives you 2 CP and cost only 40 energy (eviscerate cost 35 and is simply garbage even 3/3 improved if you cannot crit). They should have been added runes which improve finishers, not bloating everything with unnecessary skills.
True and real, thanks for admitting it, Tea is pretty much a standard cd for rogues just like blind and vanish.
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Finally someone that understand that rogue mutilate is too good, and is humble about it.
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When you understand that they gave us only pvp and tank Runes. Most of them useless. There is A reason they panic «buffed» mutilate.
But apart from that What do we have ?
How many classes can u 100-0 in stunlock Even with tea? And rank 5 trinket ?
Lock tank 0 chance
Pala 0 chance
Warrior 0 chance
Priest 0 chance
Druid yes if in nelf!
Hunter 0 chance
Shaman 0 chance
Rogue you can if u blind after trinket
Mage yes if not frost
Now how many fights do you win if you Get opened on? 0
Ur almost full bis! What do you expect?
We have A chance vs most classes if we open. And if we dont kill we are dead. If you take mutilate pvp and pve is gone. Then just reroll
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Hmm so far and i duel a lot in durotar btw. Priest i can almost 1 shot (even geared) but he Will get dispersion off so it can be a close. Hunter i can 1 shot aswell with this since even if he trink my cheap i Will just trinket his Freeze trap and do the Big burst after. Meta lock: No chance (maybe if he is really bad gear). Pala is hard aswell. Basically those who does not have some kind of immunity Will be easy to deal with. And again im not just asking for a nerf to mutilate , im asking for a buff to our other abilities . And while were at it … Blizzard need to make shadowstep have No gcd so we can use shadowstep + ambush or sap etc.
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No GCD on shs would be completely broken while Mutilate does so much damage and while shadowstep is usable in roots. But I agree, GCD on shadowstep feels awkward, but right now its justified
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If the fights were 1on1 i agree , but me that is on A pve server doesnt do 1on1 mostly 
and you know how rogue works in mass pvp.
Second I unstealth on A healer or sap Im dead !
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No one disagreed with you about mutilate. But you think rogues are OP and other than these utterly specific situations in the open world rogues are not OP. They are far from it. I’m sick and tired of hearing your garbage opinion on rogues.
This situation is literally the only scenario where a rogue is OP
But in answer to this thread yes they need to look at rogues cos mutilate being the only viable ability for a rogue to use currently is complete trash. It hitting for CONSIDERABLY more than a 5 point eviscerate is stupid. Even a double crit mutilate outperforms a 5 point 3/3 sersted blades full damage rupture. A combo point generator shouldn’t be outperforming a 5 point finisher.
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If you really believe this, you are an imbecile. It’s really not about hatred here, it’s about what you wrote being extremely stupid.
Btw, the rogue blowed a thistle tea also.
Rogue is the worst class atm both in PvP AND in PvE, period. I’m not a typing Andy but this time I’m infuriated by the status of this class.
In PvP, I totally agree with Justdont : even with gear, the ability to “one shot” really does not exist and the damage output merely depends on others’ class and gear, with a lot of specs that simply cannot be beaten because either the damage is insufficient or other classes’ have many tools to counter. But rogues are supposed to shine in PvP with the amount of cc they can offer, and they get laughed at in SoD when opening on somebody because the damage simply isn’t there.
Have you fought a Tank warlock? These guys ain’t going down with your stupid mutilate. Priests are running out there with 2k5 HP and 1k7 armor (more defensive stats than a rogue) yet they get dispersion every 2 minutes. Pallies have bubble, shamans have shields and mail, druids have bear form, meanwhile rogues don’t even get cloak. This results in Rogue being very squishy and their damage being VERY underwhelming, with every other class dealing at least as much damage as a rogue, often more (even tanks such as warlocks).
On top of that, rogue IS undoubtedly the worst class in PvE. The damage is simply not enough, whether in combat or assassination spec, to compete with other classes in raid such as warlocks, mages or warriors. Simply check the rankings (top 100) on warcraft logs for every boss in Gnomeregan, you won’t find a single rogue. But damage is EVERYTHING a rogue provides !!! Rogues don’t have party buff like every other class do, no totems, no improved damage to group or anything of the sort.
What’s the result of this status for Rogue players ?
Well, if you’re not in a guild, a lot of frustration due to not/hardly being invited in raid groups such as Gnome (because you don’t provide anything of value for the group, other than your dmg which is already beaten by other classes) or even in PvP STV events, because most people would want classes that actually kill people and that can do it in aoe (mages, SP/boomies, pallies, etc.). Often times, I have to create a group myself full of rogues, which might have been fun the first few times, but gets desperately annoying when you feel like you don’t have the choice. Btw, rogues in STV get between 5-1200 coins, while mages get 1k5 to 3k. Does that feel fair? Does mutilate buff compensates for all that?
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No it doesn’t cos youre so on point with this it’s untrue. Rogues in this phase is so underwhelming it’s untrue. And literally the only people complaining about rogues are morons running around in pure PvE non stam gear In the open the world where a rogue has the absolute BIS conditions for them to have PvP fun. Outside.of that rogue is a garbage bin for a mutilate using turd.
It still blows my mind that the Devs haven’t look at this stupid meta and gone … Mmm maybe making rogues huge toolkit into a 2 button rotation is a mistake when rogues bring nothing to a group. And are literally seen as leeches In STV cos stealth is slow AF and if you come out of stealth your dead. So you provide a short amount of protection for your healer and you can’t hit anything your group is hitting and then when you do pop out you’re burning blood coins lol
Every time I see rogues in STV event, I see free blood
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