As a way of giving advice to behavior? Sure.
As a way of dismissing points of critique about the game? No.
People on the forum rarely tell others to leave or quit or sod off out of heartfelt concern for the person they’re saying it to. They say it as a way of dismissing the person’s input, to show disregard for them as a person, and to belittle the value of their position.
Let’s not glorify or elevate what we all should all recognize is an awful way of engaging others in conversation, let alone partake in a discussion as part of a community.
You don’t score forum points for telling other to leave or quit or sod off if they come to the forums with anything but love and praise for WoW and Blizzard.
At least not from me.
Sometimes the devils you see are angels freeing you.
In this specific instance I’m an angel telling OP to get an MMO mouse. Which led to a different discussion about the types of MMO mouse.
So just that is a decent level of feedback for OP if they read it. They can try to decide if an MMO mouse will help them and which type may help them best.
But if they do want to quit “Buy an MMO mouse” is terrible advice. They’ll just be wasting money.
That is not the specific instance. I replied to Lynlia’s remarks about WoW just being a video game and that the OP could just leave, i.e dismissing their input as I said above.
You replied to me and argued against what I said by suggesting that there was merit to telling people to leave.
Now you say you’re talking about an MMO mouse.
I’m not sure what you’re talking about anymore, or why you’re talking to me about an MMO mouse, but I’ll let you clarify your position if you feel the need to.
If everyone just gives the same advice on what is ultimately OP’s decision to make, then the issue won’t get solved. Unless the one piece of advice OP is given by everyone is the advice they need.
I think an MMO will solve lots of their issues. If everyone is like me and says “Buy an MMO mouse” that’s good advice only if it’s the advice that solves the issue.
If the issue is they are holding on because they can’t let go, “You can leave” is the advice that solves the issue.
There is no issue to solve.
There is no issue and there is no solution.
What the OP has written is a post with points of criticism about the game not being fun to various degrees, from his own gameplay experience.
And this being a discussion forum the way it works is that the rest of us then get to discuss the individual points and the broader topic that the OP has presented based on our own gameplay experience, our conviction, and our general thoughts on the matter.
A discussion forum does not exist for the purpose of solving people’s issues - it exists for the purpose of discussing them.
The OP is not asking for a solution to the many buttons and hotkeys that WoW presents. The OP is presenting for discussion the issue of WoW having many buttons and hotkeys.
There is a difference.
And those who seek to solve people’s issues with helpful advice are usually not very helpful to the discussion of the issue itself. As I said earlier, their motivation is to dismiss the input and the discussion, not to foster it.
And I don’t think that’s very admirable.
If people have problems they seek solutions for, they tend to be very forthcoming about their desire to get help. But if they’re simply here to stand on a soapbox and voice their thoughts and feeling, don’t jam “solutions” and “advice” down their throats. It’s not very becoming.
And in regards to the MMO mouse, then it’s a crap solution. That’s a lot of money to spend on an issue that is of Blizzard’s making and which isn’t any less existent just because you get a mouse or a keyboard with more buttons.
Did you even read the OP? Or the part of the thread when I talk about my joint and tendon pain. Which for me was an issue that was solved by getting a different MMO mouse.
Also this is my main, I play Guardian so I have fewer buttons than anyone and it’s still way easier to use an MMO mouse.
You can’t just quote a random sentence from my post and say “this is false” as if I should know what you mean by "this". I don’t. Quote what you’re responding to if you are responding to anything in particular.
And I haven’t said anything about being the hero or the championship or anything to that end, so I’m bewildered as to what you’re saying.
Clarify if you will, or don’t.
I have not talked about the game being an MMO or an RPG or its relation to other games of other or similar genres.
I have said that WoW used to have more elements of roleplaying, and a greater presence of it, and I gave examples of that. And then I said that having less is to the detriment of the game’s enjoyment.
I’m not sure what point you’re making to the contrary of that.
Did you?
Did you read the entirety of the OP, respond to a single point removed from the broader topic, and then think you could sneak that point into a discussion with me about something entirely different as an argument to itself?!
You’re still talking to me as a follow-up to my reply to Lynilla’s point about just leaving the game.
You don’t get to just switch back and forth as you please. As I said before, if you wish to clarify why you engaged me in discussion in the first place, then you are free to do so.
You give a list of things. You say that today there is less of that compared to the past.
Which is what I quoted. Am I understanding this correctly?
If that is the case, then you have a bad memory. It was never “more” in the past. Like this stuff:
When you talk to the class trainer, or unique race and class quests from the past. You were never a “hero”. Always a champion. Because next to you, you had 10 others doing the same. And even worse, 10 other dudes with the same exact class as you.
Same for races. When you started a new race in the old beginner areas, it was you and 50 other dudes of the exact same race. Doing the exact same quest as you. Which coincidentally were quests such as: Go pick up 10 bags. Or go hunt 10 boars. Inconsequential “peon” work such as that.
Because you were never a “hero”. You have always been an “adventurer” or “champion”. A soldier. One of many.
And coincidentally, in BFA when blizzard wanted to give you the sense of being the “hero” or “the chosen one” with fancy Neclaces and Legendaries… it felt… weird to see everyone else with the same stuff and quests as you. It felt… cheap…
It did not have more RP elements in the past. And it never will. It CANT. By the nature of what an MMO is.
You cant have a personalized RP experience with 50 strangers next to you doing the exact same thing as you. And sometimes, you have to group up with them in a party to do some of those “RP elements”.
That is why if you want a REAL RP experience you should look for other games. Which is what I said.
Fine. Fair. Reasonable.
But how it ever related to my reply to Lynilla’s point about leaving the game is beyond me. And I think we should just leave it here.
That would be correct.
A bold claim, but then again, you always take the side of being contrary to the absolute, so not surprising.
I’m writing as I’m reading, so let’s see the basis for claiming that Jito has a bad memory…
I’ll just quote this, as the rest of what you say just iterates the above.
Honestly? No idea why you’re still using the hero and champion point as an argument against what I said.
There is nothing in my post that has anything to do either.
What I said and alluded to - which is the same as the OP did - is that there was value in going down into a cellar beneath an inn to talk to other Warlocks and learn new abilities and take on quests from them.
That added to the sense of identity of being a Warlock, which was different from being a Priest who went to the cathedral for their interaction with NPCs who were notably also Priests.
That is a far cry from today where the abilities are learned automatically, the NPCs don’t really appear relevant anymore, and the class-specific stories are all but non-existent.
And none of that has anything to do with being an adventurer, a hero, or a champion, because your chosen identity since you started playing the game was still to be a Warlock or a Priest or a Rogue, and the game has increasingly lost the (roleplaying) value of supporting that identity.
There is no reason why Blizzard cannot tell a story in which I am a Priest and get to act as such, whilst also being a hero and a champion. They notably did so in Legion.
But I thought you said it was my memory that was flawed, yet you go on about “hero” and “champion”. What does that have to do with my memory? I’ll read on…
That is a blatantly ridiculous thing to say, because clearly Legion with its Class Order Halls and even Shadowlands with its Covenants offered more to that end than The War Within does.
If you’re going to dispute something so blatantly obvious, and insinuate this is where my memory is lacking, then we have nothing to discuss, as I will simply conclude that it is your memory that is lacking.
What you define as a “REAL RP” experience is irrelevant to what I argued with regards to roleplaying value in WoW and what you’re arguing against. You can’t just move the goal post as it suits you.
Anyway, seems we got to the end of your post, which made a weak point about the game calling us hero and champion, and a blatantly false point about there not being more roleplaying elements in the game in the past. And that was the basis for saying my memory was bad? Really?
I thought it was strange you seemed to be using “It’s a hobby” to refute his claim that “It’s just a video game”.
I have so many hobbies I can’t do them all the time. I never announce a break from any of them. Sometimes I just don’t feel like doing one/some of them.
Aha. Not really though. Or rather, if you’re passionate about something, having points of criticism about it is rarely grounds for abandoning it. There’s usually a large spectrum of tolerance that most people operate in with most things in life.
Your girlfriend snores? Dump her!
Your favorite tv show had a mediocre episode? Never watch it again!
The pizza crust got a little burnt? Throw the entire pizza away!
The black and white space rules the forums, but most things in life are probably grey.
Likewise with WoW. People are here by virtue of liking the game, but that doesn’t mean people can’t also have issues with it. The two can coexist.
Here one of the bookmaker’s TV adverts has the slogan “When the fun stops, stop.”
It’s not “When the fun stops, you’re tens of thousands in debt, your wife has left you, your drinking is killing you, you’re no longer having fun at all but keep making bets! You love betting on the soccer!”
Although they don’t need to tell people to do that because they already do it.
Unending resolve - dmg reduction 3 min CD
Dark Pact - Absorb Shield 1 min CD
Health Stone - 1 min CD
Mortal Coil - heals 20% Hps 45 sec CD
Drain life + Soulburn - Heals like 10% HPs + with souburn gives a absorb shield
CC abilitys
Fear
Pet stun or interrupt
Mortal Coil 3 sec “fear”, or the skilled AE Fear
Shadow fury - AE stunn
plus if needet banish (well this one is very situational)
You seem very angry Uda on someone, that is just saying that “maby put less salt into the cake, it might get better”.
But reading your response one might think you know less about the game and are just agry on principle.
Edit.
And i posted with my Main Char. Feel free to go check out my Logs this season and the last couple expansions <3
Cast sequence macro that with pot. Only 1 button required. Shift V. Dark Pact in V.
Unending Resolve you click on it with the mouse. Especially if you raid.
Mortal Coil is C.
Drain Life forms part of your rotation.
Nobody uses Fear. Pet kick is R.
DONE. 3 buttons.
I am. Because people like you confuse things. You pretend like “button bloat” gives you physical pain. But its the APM that does. And WOW is a game that has really, really low APM. Because GCD exists. Its ~ 1s for everyone and there are really few skills that are outside the GCD.
And you are making things much worse on yourself by trying to copy the “pros” that do +18s and have already cleared Mythic Undermine. Unlike you that only have done 1 boss.
Dont get me wrong. What you have done deserves merit. But over-doing things is clearly not giving you the results you want. In other words, if you are a “normal piano player”… dont try to play really fast like a profesional pianist. Just play the song normally and you will do just fine.
And never forget the mantra of the “normal player” :
A bad rotation executed well does more DPS than a good rotation executed badly. Take that in mind.
