Well I guess we all know how frustrated havocs are. We are 2nd worst dps class in game, yes wars need some love too, but we are underperforming in everything. Vengeance can bring same debuf as havoc, doesn’t take dps spot and is actually good in raid and beast in m+. Even good in PvP…
Our survivability is crap, one stun outside of cds and we are good as dead in PvP, our main PvP dmg is hunt…
In PvE there are classes that everything better ( except war atm ) you can see for yourself. (yes it’s heroic and yes its not 95% because there is only 5% of players in that area and not representing the player base)
[Warcraft Logs - Combat Analysis for Warcraft]
www(dot)warcraftlogs(dot)com/zone/statistics/26#difficulty=4
For M+ i have 215ilvl 1.1k rio but i barely can get to pugs, even to the groups where i have 300 more rio, higher ilvl and better eq. Simply because I am not mage/hunt/druid.
I am working person I don’t have time to create push group, i play randomly. Per blue posts we are not going to be addressed anytime soon and I am tired of waiting. on some of my logs i have same dmg as some balance druids and logs show my % as ~60 theirs ~15… I am really tired, we are not complex class but as there is just one dps spec it needs to be good, not bad…
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iam already trying few alts, soon i will pick something
i consider my ban will bring some attention even if it is negative but it’s there
suck my d1ck blizzard. thanks.
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I dont get it DH are really good a mythic m… i do 11k dmg + on trash mobs on my dh singel target not soo good… and dh is only 197
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Any class can do 11k+ dmg over a couple of seconds or 1 trash group when you pop everything.
What is your damage at when you finish the dungeon? That is the real question.
The problem in M+ is our damage is ok but we don’t bring anything else to the dungeon. So it means pretty much every other class does the same or more damage and brings something else that we don’t.
We had our debuff but now DH tank is the main tank, havoc doesn’t really have that either.
Then going into raids we are the bottom of the bottom. Anyone getting out dpsed by a havoc DH in raids really needs to work on their play tbh.
Our AOE damage is decent but its not the best in the game. Yeah we can do good burst damage with leggo eyebeam and glaives after, but what happens after that burst is the problem. On tyrannical weeks like now i feel horrible in boss fights. I feel like im the issue keys are drained because my ST damage is so lacking. Our ST leggo is also way too RNG and in m+ i prefer to use my aoe leggo.
Same here. I rerolled this ww monk and having blast!
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Some bastard at Blizzard is punishing us for playing this class.
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Well I started lvling Spriest yesterday, since our raid group is missing Spriest. The sad part is we were 3 dhs at start, one rerolled to balance, his green/blue logs are better than my purple ones. The other dh barely play.
But let’s be honest, for a while the game is anti melee friendly. The new affix is anti melee, doesn’t touch ranged most of the M+ affixes can be ignored by ranged, explosives are tank/healer/melee exclusive, if you have quaking you cannot have more than 2 melees, if healer is paladin than just 1, if you don’t want to lose dps, etc. There are only 2 affixes that affect ranged - quaking and volcanic. Some of the affixes are deadly for burst melee classes, which we are.
In the past melee dps were on top of sim dps because raw damage was higher, now ranged and melee has equal dmg, same hp, warlock even has more hp than ranged classes. Being low on sim dps is bad, even worse is real scenarios where you have to run away and have downtimes. Until blizzard understand game design and the flaws they are making with new systems, the melees will not be good.
With this said, I will finish my Spriest, see if I like the gameplay, get some gear and bail from DH. I will rather be useful in raid than moving buff.
Plus blizz is fixing lower performing specs of high performing classes over underperforming classes in general. My hope toward blizzard diminish every year and I don’t feel they actually know much about their own game. I suspect all old personnel with understanding of game left or they fired them.
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around 3.5 at the end and on bossers around 4k …
try play asin rogue you aoe dont hit 10k at ALL on trash
You are full of bs, havoc brings a few things thats pretty good in m+, 1. You have stuns is always nice, 2 nd. Darkness even its rng based is good, ST dmg isnt that low actually if you know how to play.
check the logs and you see how bad st dmg is stop trolling
Stop trolling i am not trolling. DH begins to slack in dmg after m+ 15, before that they are great immo. 4.5 - 6 k overall dmg isnt bad actually.
tell that to people, they still will not invite you to group.
I already explained you in different thread what you say. regarding ST we are 2 dps lowest class in game, so if you have 2 players that play on same lvl and it’s not war, he does more dmg.
I can see that you play tank and didnt even try havoc in m+. I did and I have 1.1k rio, not sure about you but i am very rarely picked into M+
I am considering switching myself to my warrior alt equally geared, warriors still not by any means top of the line right now, but u have an ability for everything and doing decent dps, but I still want to stick with my DH
My 198 WW monk sims +50 dps more than my 212 Havoc on ST. Clap clap
my exactly 200 ilvl monk does more on even AOE and on single target the difference is significantly more. My DH is 213ish. Not to mention that monk has frequent dps cooldowns to use, while with DH you generally save meta on bosses (ST damage still low AF), therefore your overall performance lacks even more…
Hey i lost to a freaking shaman yesterday with less gear… Sad days but bliz wont do anything because tuning the classes during the tournament would break it for the OP classes.