I dont understand the hate for DF. Im having a ball!!
I love the storylines, they have been consistently engaging and so much work has been put into even the side quests to make them really fun and emotional.
and they just keep coming!! Ive just finished the blue dragonflight quests and it was so much fun to go back to the old world and bring the dragons home, and I did cry at the end!
But then again I made the decision with this expansion to fully read every piece of text and really throw myself into the adventure…as a result Ive laughed, cried, shouted at my monitor and gotten really invested in the stories.
It also means that I am apparently having way more fun with this game than some other people!!
Way to go!, me. LOL
I think there are some good elements to the story. Also some bad stuff (too many kids with baby gnolls or similar).
My main issue with the story is that it is split up in too many campaigns which are then gated behind Renown or similar.
The Ysera story was reasonably good but when I tried to discuss this with my friend it turned out he was only Renown 18 with them and this story was Renown 19 to start. Dragonscale has a campaign chapter gated by Renown 24, I’m only Renown 16 with them and will take me months to get to 24 by which point I’m doing a pretty old story.
So the story is disjointed and incomplete and out of sequential order. Dragonflight Campaign, Valdrakken Campaign and Dragonscale Campaign are all roughly in the same story arc (Dragons vs Primalsts).
I don’t need questing on rails like we had in BFA and SL but why break it up so much and gate it behind so many different Renowns (and so high a Renown as 24).
Please at least dont put words to me that I didnt say - or did I say that watching a movie and playing videogame is the same thing or what are you talking about? Read my previous comments again, you maybe just didnt understand what I wrote the first time
That is what you said, you even asked me to replace watching with playing to fit your narrative. From now on all I’ll see is “bla bla bla, please argue with me so i can get the attention I so desperately crave” and wont be replying, have a good day.
Ah well I see, you probably just dont know what an different example with same principle (which I mentioned) means and you formulated it by yourself that its exactly the same thing… anyway nevermind, have a good day too
Personally I find the story serviceable. Naive and bit too on the nose yes but serviceable. Definitely feeling less disappointment with it than last few expansions.
Remember when Blizzard promised us the War Story with varying shades of grey on both sides with BfA? And how by the end we got Evil Horde commiting atrocities and good boys Alliance broking their backs trying to justify why they believe Horde can be redeemed (so we keep status quo), with big twist reveal of Sylvanas just using Horde to her own nefarious ends? Or the Jailer that had to be retconned into the story as man behind everything bad that happened till this point just to build his credentials as a threat ending as yet another “well intentioned extremist” which only came to the light at the end of the story with no hints towards it beforehand?
Honestly ever since Warcraft III Blizzard has issues with maintaining quality story. TBC went on and ruined entirety of Ilidan’s Faction with Kael being turned into typical power obsessed Villain, Vash being non existent and main guy himself suffering from motive decay. Wrath turned Arthas into generic Villain loosing all nuance he got in his previous depictions (and with a bad case of losing small battles which still went “according to plan”). WoD almost spelling it out that Orcs even without demonic influence were always one step from becoming as bad as fel Horde?
Yeah I’m just glad it’s nowhere as bad as it could be. Sloppy at times naive but at least some moments have heart behind them
No i just don’t have a habit of building an opinion around YouTubers, my brain allows me to have sophisticated thoughts on different subjects without “help” from other people, very high possibility that people who advise to “watch YouTubers” to see their point simply never had their own opinion in their entire life, but they of course can gaslight yourself into thinking that they have. Ad populum also is favourite argument of this kind of people
So, I will say that while the story is… well, kind of, better than some WoW expansions - it still doesn’t hit right. For me, it just doesn’t feel like a “Warcraft” story. Yes, I liked the idea of just being an adventurer again - but now it’s back to being the ‘Champion’.
I think what I would like to see are Eastern Kingdoms & Kalimdor being the new ‘content’ again. Instead of this one huge threat, I want to see what all the races are up to. I want to see more of how they have changed, how they have improved and what flaws they carry on with (because without those, they’re bland.)
For example: I want to see a zone where we do quests for the Blood Elves, possibly fighting off whatever is still lingering near their border in the Plaguelands, and we get reminded of who they really are. Remember how NPCs goes “We will have justice!”, “Death to all who oppose us!”, etc? Remember when the Blood Knights burnt down the founding chapel of the Silver Hand (though it seems to be retcon’d from what I can tell by future quests?)
Blood Elves are not the nicest people around, the Nightborne are pretty much their only true ‘friends’ because of how much they have in common - but Blizzard mostly just displays them as either 1: The study type. 2: The brainless, ‘trendy’ type. 3: The inclusive type. (And let’s not forget Cataclysm where we had 3 moments of making fun of Blood Elf males being mistaken for women: Hillsbrad, Un’goro, Badlands).
It doesn’t have to be another Horde vs Alliance expansion (they overdid it and now it’s ruined), but let’s see something controversial happening. And that’s just for the Blood Elves: There are many other races that needs revisiting to see what’s happening. The Orc heritage quest seem to have done a great job at it from what I’ve seen!
Sorry about the long rant. Having played Warcraft for longer than I even remember, it just feels bad to see what the story is like nowadays. It did not evolve in a good way and there is so, SO much wasted potential.
All the effort went into making them emotional. The quests themselves are rather boring, I feel that we had more variety in quests even back during Cata, and now they’re overwriting every side quest storyline hoping that the story alone will carry the quest
See, you don’t actually have opinions on this entire subject, 6ou
Shadowlands was a study in missed opportunities and shortcut-writing. How anyone in their right mind can look back at that utter narrative failure and feel anything but nausea is, frankly, astounding to me.
Was it all bad? No of course not, even the worst entertainment media usually get something right amidst all the misery, but Shadowlands was just a jumbled mess too often to really appreciate the few good things.
To be honest, we got to be careful. The dev’s are pretty tone deaf. If we complain about this, they’ll assume the only other choice is a return to Shadowlands levels of tripe.
They don’t understand that their not on the wrong end of the spectrum; they are on the entire wrong spectrum altogether!
True even without complaining they can rebound way too badly. Case in point Illidan. Yes they screwed up in TBC dropping him off into typical villainy but Legion wasn’t exactly the best attempt at redeeming him since they essentially retconed everything about him that was dubious about him including elements of his original lore and then made Xe’ra shill for him to no end. Guilt tripping players for playing TBC completely ignoring that the one that decided Illidan must be stopped was her fellow Naru.
Nuance isn’t exactly their strongest tool especially with just games themselves. Hell disregarding books they turned Jaina into basically pacifist doormat in first three expansions (ignoring the fact she was perfectly willing to fight and it was both threat of the Legion and the fact that Thrall proved himself to seek peace that guided her choices in W3) just to go total 180 post bombing of her city. No real in-between.
I actually really love the fact the story is nice and simple and linear…with characters we have a long history with.
The problem with the Horde vs Alliance, grrrrrr fight! scenarios that some people seem to want is that they dont work really well in an MMO. You would need a depth of story telling and nuance to stop it just being a white hat vs black hat kind of thing…
problem being that you have some people who dont know any lore, some who lack any imagination or maybe have short attention spans and many more who just arent even going to read the quests that explain the story!
Trust me, complex plots only really work in single player games or books and films!
