it’s also about blatant class imbalance. and with premade with good classes, a lot is possible.
but in pugs it’s sick at the moment. I don’t push any keys either. because what for? for embarrassing rewards that I’ll soon replace anyway?
and yes, i meet the sick people far too often from +18. actually i only play 2-3 dungeons here. and the insults from the embarrassing failures come here almost non-stop and even after the run with embarrassing whispers.
it’s just embarrassing how the situation in m+ is at the moment. heaps of losers who haven’t achieved anything in real life finish off the other players in m+. not even a psychiatrist can help here.
and wow should have average age of 30? hardly likely.
I’m more concerned about dropping participation from players that aren’t able to push up to +20.
I think I’m capable of pushing and playing in the range of +20 for every dungeon if I would look for a team and ignore my guild mates.
But let’s be real I’m not going to do that
Problem is that people I love to play with are frustrated that keys are too punishing and they give up on the game earlier then shadowlands. So that’s what is reducing my intention to run m+ as well.
Back in BFA, I already saw +16 as borderline too high.
The moving of the goalposts past +15 was unnecessary. The only people who should had been going past +15 should had been those who do it to show off (and those who simply enjoy pushing themselves to their limits).
Mmmmmm, what helps to contribute to the toxicity; Mythic 10 to Mythic 13 rewards the same gear ilvl, despite the increased difficulty, You see a lot of people in 14+ that don’t belong there, they just skip to the next stage where they get better gear without having all their gear from M10, it’s infuriating, couple that with people that still don’t know when to use their CD’s, be it tanks, healers or DPS.
The thing that wipes groups the most so far I found, is that people don’t bother to interrupt the correct abilities, or they sit on the CD"s the whole time and save them for boss fights only, when there is more than enough time to use those abilities between them and need them to beat the timer.
So what then? If by chance these players got carried on the backs of others and have their new “rating” they queue for 15+ thinking, they are great players. And so it goes on and on up the ladder.
Personally, I am only going to do M10 to at least get some upgrades every week but I will only push Mythic+ before the season ends, hopefully, people will be geared enough so it can make up for their lack of skill, because I can tell you one thing, pugging M+ at the moment is a horrible experience as a healer, they think you should heal through their stupidity, damage that should never have been there to start with, same for tanking it.
What I never understand is why people that are seemingly grown up give a damn about what some random frustrated dude on the internet says about them/ to them.
I screwed a number of keys this season, some of which werent my own and I can understand how someone can be disappointed in me breaking their key, but the only take from that is what I can do to correct my mistakes, I have no interest in readin what someone has to say about it.
It is early season. Most people are not on high keys yet. We were timing +24’s previous season and we are now on something like +13’s, with the 2 famous dungeons a bit higher. We need more weekly vaults to get higher ilvl and climb.
I try not to focus on where mythic raiders and certain streamers are now. People who play 7x24, have nothing else to do.
I take my slow pace, esp. when an expansion starts.
Secondly, I first aimed to main preservation, but went back to resto shaman. I guess some people will go back to what they love most, even if it’s not the best.
I also get more satisfaction, playing a spec that many people say sucks, and I still manage to do stuff (in pugs even).
Gearing is also a bit RnG, this reset this one and my alt hunter got so many loot-less runs it’s rediculous.
Toxicity is everywhere, I usually don’t stay long if a run is toxic. It affects my mood, and I don’t play to be treated like sh… by people like that.
Yep. Some people started to realise and point that out that basically the mid range 10-16 level is dogwater and basically the entire ilvl curve is bad. Anything above that is good but the difficulty jump is higher. You can keep farming 14-15’s forever you will be stuck at 395-400 ilvl without any upgrade. Valor upgrade is still a meme with current amount of valor you can get a week.
Well not forever but only relying to weekly vault gearing is a joke. No one will be occupied for 4-5 months by the time they get proper gear next tier is out.
I agree. I am currently sitting on +17 keys because they are the ones I still enjoy and even then I can see how pugs become more and more toxic. I haven’t tried going for a lot of the higher keys yet simply because they become less and less fun. Check out some of the streams of the +20 key players pugging and you can see it’s often hell with a lot of the groups disbanding a few minutes into the dungeon and everyone blaming each other. I really don’t want to get into that and I wish I had a group of friends to do these m+ instead.
Have you considered that there are like 20 different difficulty levels so players can do content they are comfortable with/they are skilled enough to tackle?
You don’t have to do 20s the same way you don’t have to raid mythic raids or get Gladiator.
Not every player is cut out to push the boundaries of their class and that is fine, just because hard content is there doesn’t mean everyone is expected to do it. If Blizzard wanted to force everyone to play at ridiculous difficulties, there’d be no LFR.
Signed someone who’d like to progress to 20s but is currently stuck in 14s because my item luck is devastating and 2 trash trinkets + 0 set boni DPS doesn’t cut it in higher keys. Wanna take this chance to say Catalyst is coming a solid 2 weeks too late and gearing in M+ is massively tedious right now. I’m sitting on a dozen traded/disenchanted Ukhel ancesty beads with no Feather and not even the goddarn chest piece.
Still, more mage buffs (or actual changes to make the clusterf of a class fun again) or item upgrades are likely gonna happen and then I can see to go on. I can’t believe people are sweating about finishing 20s right now and I’ve been playing way too much since expansion launch already.
I was so disapointed when I realised I had to get even more score to upgrade items
It’s a slow slog for me to 2400. The friends I usually play with have hit it already and aren’t all that interested in helping me get there It doesn’t help that I need a dungeon no one wants to do and that they would rather faff about on some alts now. None of us are doing 20s yet.
There is no way in hell I’m even going to try pugging it. I would rather walk over lego.
I think what players are failing to realise here though is not that they have moved the ilvl to harder content. What they have actually done is allow harder content to reward a higher ilvl.
But I guess players don’t really see it that way.
Yeh, there’s 1 guy I know who gets a Weekly 20 key from whatever community he’s part of, and then offers it around to players he thinks are suitable to fit the roll (other Mythic Raiders).
I’m quite happy sitting around 14-16 mark at the moment. But I’m sure once I’m 4 piece and above ilvl 400 in a few weeks time, that’ll be 17-19, which is the 2500 mark.
Odd eh? It’s an obvious fix to Shadowlands’ “no matter how good you are and how insanely high M+ keys you’re pushing, you’ll never get beyond heroic raiding gear outside of one item a week”. It’s M+s equivalent to mythic raiding (hence the ilvl of the rewards) finally giving rewards comparable to it and somehow that’s now the bar everyone needs to be able to clear because they’re used to clearing the equal to heroic raiding max level difficulty of earlier expansions.
That’s what happens when you design a game around esports buzz and slap an arbitrary scoreboard on it. Players will attack everything and everyone that they perceive as an obstacle to them rising up the ladder, even if it’s their own fault 50% of the time.
It doesn’t help that I need a dungeon no one wants to do and that they would rather faff about on some alts now. None of us are doing 20s yet.