I feel so weak as an assassination rogue. If you're not a rogue, find them easy to kill? If you are, can you relate?

Because there is no reason why stealth or sap couldnt be in same key like I said.

ofc there is, perhaps you don’t want to sap immediately something near you just because you wanted to put yourself in stealth, you’d put a DR on that target for no real reason. If you want to go into stealth you should be pressing stealth, if you want to sap, you should be pressing sap. You just press what you want to do at the time. Same gos for what our dwarf friend suggested a cheap shot or backstab.

I mean there is still no reason why sap or stealth couldnt be in same key. He mentioned having too many buttons and macros, I gave him advice on how to save binds.

Dwarf friend lol? Changed race to female NE a couple months ago, funny if it still shows me as a Dwarf :smiley:

I think realistically he is right, you want to be able to call on any ability instantly and having it share a bind with an action bar that has a cooldown (subterfuge) could hamper your skills. I get that - I’m not disagreeing, it just makes things more difficult as I just showcased with the amount of abilities rogues already have (most of them also being instant abilities so things you need to find quickly - blind, kick, gouge, sap, cheap, kidney etc)

Thanks for your input, bed time for me now :slight_smile:

Looks as nelf to me.

this is a real reason, since vanilla we now have a diminishing return, you do not want to put a cc on someone by mistake. Having two abilities on one bind is asking for that mistake. With stealth and sap it literally the best of the worst examples because you might be spamming stealth beside soon out-of-combat target already in some cc, like poly which shares dr with sap and you might put yourself in stealth and by mistake (while spamming the key) you put a DR sap on that target and screw the sequence until another DR reset.

Bleed build is more oriented around cleave. You can try envenom/dual poison build such as

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This one. You can get wound poison or gouge by playing with the talent a bit. Also you can drop Forced Induction to get double vanish to have more survival. I get good results at 1vs1. I haven’t pushed rated 2v2 or solo shuffle much yet but they expect you to do cleave dmg since most of the rogues play with bleed build. They get surprised when they got bursted a lot :slight_smile:

Yeah whatever man, I dont see the point of debating the matter. You can personally bind every single ability separately that you want but this is not the thread to have debate for it, this is op asking advice on rogue and him mentioning having too many binds on rogue which I gave a working macro for to save buttons.

I understand what he wants, you gave a bit of bad advice and encouraged bad practice. I just let him know why it is bad advice and a terrible practice to get used to. I mean no offense to you, but this is the truth, no pvp player would encourage others to share binds thru abilities. You do you ofc.

:man_facepalming: we can just stop here. If you knew the macros and scripts what people use to play the game aswell very commonly in top tier and advice to use through streams and various uploads, and it counts for any content not just pvp. But again this is not the topic to discuss it. If you self want to play game by having every button binded separately thats your personal choice and has nothing to do with what is right or wrong or “bad” as you said. Op asked of macros and mentioned having trouble with too many buttons so the advice is “good”.

It’s not though. Your worry of putting sap DR on someone “at the wrong time” because your stealth and sap button are shared is unfounded.
At best you can say that it’s a bit redundant because getting restealth-cc when you’re dotted is a lot more lenient because of subterfuge and you dont need to worry about tick timings.

also @OP, I looked at your armory and it seems like your mastery is too low. Probably why your damage feels low.

let’s agree to disagree.

Thanks Wwhelp, my mastery is at 24%, what should it be?

As much as can as assa only stack mastery for pvp. Try to have as much as possible from every item and gem and enchant. This is the top 50 assas in blitz and shuffle.

Ah balls lol, this may explain things.

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Idk, I do insane damage. Multi dot everyone up and watch them all melt. Especially in BGs.

Gems and enchants seem negligible but it really does make a difference. Also you only have 4k mastery.

lmao… I appear in a bg and everyone targets me like its a kill on sight order.

Sometimes its a little funny. Cause people will literally die on spikes trying to kill me.

If you are popping Vanishes for “burst” then no wonder you are dying fast, Vanish is a defensive tool, you have so many other ways to reset (stun and run away lol) , not to mention having an extra vanish due from Shadowmeld, also you get one big burst from consuming all marks via the capstone that also reapplies marks on your target.

That’s for 1 on 1, makes complete sense to vanish after the opener as I can apply all bleed, poisons and shiv proc then get another opener. There is no alternative way to re-stealth, literally all classes have an instant ability which will bring you in combat. Obviously I’m not vanishing every time I open up on someone. STUN AND RUN AWAY LOLZ - can’t get out of range or have the stun last long enough to do that unless gouge > sprint. I’d rather just use vanish and keep my gouge and sprint. Extra vanish due to shadow meld lol, kinda obvious to your opponent where you are in you’ve opened up on them and then meld.

I’d say at least 11 000 rating, which would be roughly 40% I think?

Most rogues at the top of Blitz ladder have like 14k-15k, though that’s with them only going for 2set instead of 4set, and i’m not sure if there’s a definitive answer whether the extra mastery at the cost of 4set is worth, at least after the buff to the procrate.

I also notice now that you don’t seem to have any crafted gear equipped, so maybe you still have your free gladiator heraldries remaining?
If you do, you might wanna consider crafting (or commission a craft if I want to be pedantic) some offset pieces with mastery-versa, at least to the slots where you currently have crit/haste-versa.