This answer^^ is probably why people on discord don’t take you seriously. How can having BOS be more “braindead” than not having BOS? How can removing mechanics from a spec make it less “braindead”? You need to put some meaning behind the things you say.
At this point i want the entire class redisigned, it feels awful to play and whatever u can squeeze out of it most clases dont struggle to do it or its less fun to do it.
The whole ideea of the same talens that no1 picks for like 7 years is awful in regards of game design.
Not to mention some classes feel complete when they opt-in to pvp and have acces to pvp talents, why not make the classes better overall instead in a specific enviroment.
As some1 who played Wrath DK its sad to see this class in this poor state for so many years, and once again il say it, fun is subjective but i highly doubt most ppl who play DK are satisfied overall with how the class works.
Just my 2 cents
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This is an old post of mine when i do some comparisons, nothing against people that can push bos for those Percentages of extra uptime, but utilizing the obliteration window is also nothing to scoff at, read and indulge my friend
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Uh… well, DK mobility per se (in terms of getting from point A to point B fast) is probably not the best indeed, but what about sticking power? I main frost mage and I’ll be damned, if it’s not frost DKs who give me the hardest time kiting. Literally any other melee I can kite (at least for a while), but not DK, who has nearly 100% uptime on me.
Perhaps I’m doing something wrong, but I just can’t get away from them, considering chains of ice has 100% uptime on me and frostbolt only slows 50-60%.
Regarding the tankiness – I can see how that can be the problem vs physical damage dealers. You guys literally have only a weak shield wall against that and that’s it. But vs magic damage the survivability is actually quite crazy with AMS and AMZ.
Regarding the bursts – they indeed don’t have much of those, but their consistent damage is incredibly strong, and they eventually just wear your down (as your healer’s mana fades and healing penalty adds up).
Please, throw your poop towards my side, but that’s how I felt playing vs DKs in Shadowlands.
Been in multiple class and spec discords, and some are just way superior and more helpful than others.
Such channels can quickly turn into circlejerking eachother like reddit
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dks cant be slowed below 70% due to deaths advance passive, so anything above 30% slow will not affect them
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damn i actually never noticed this passive effect, ty
just watched Preach’s stream whit Ion well guys seems we might run the risk of getting more nerfs and no fixes this time it might end up our zone spell is getting yeeted
friendly reminder we do not need to pay blizzard for the por mans work they have put in =)
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I could not watch unfortunately. Can you give a short summary why you think dk will not be looked at besides a spell being yeeted? Which spell did you mean?
The looking at part is in general knowledge of how death knights have not been fixed/adjusted at the start and mid of any expansion sins legion,
And the second part is that Preach and Ion finds anti magic zone being to strong as a 20% damage mitigation on a 10 sec duration.
Overall it’s very unlikely for us seing any fixes and buffs to our bad talent tree both pve/pvp and i am not shocked if the pvp one stays as it is whit chill streak making us grip and afk whit it,
For our pve talent tree it will not be changed this expansion not happen’d to us before and it wont happen now this is unfortunate but based on how Ion seemed as soulless as he ever could be in the interview whit Preach its not boding well for us.
I am tired.
This entire class design must be purged.
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I was waiting like a kid on Christmass morning to hear something about DK, and i did hear, a nerf to AMZ 
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Raid-wise AMS utility is unmatched (13 seconds of -20% dam reduction is huge). PvP wise, is a must, 80% Dam reduction with dome is denying any caster cleave go on you/your parts, so this is huge.
With AMZ nerfed in PvP and with Heartstop removed, frost will join Unholy in Trash-tier PvP.
After tryharding every game, making an use of all of my buttons to keep my team alive, peel 24/7, executing gos perfectly, I receive yet another round of nerfs, while I saw warriors at 2700 MMR not knowing how and when to press Intervene or Rets on around same MMR that surrendered the game after they popped all their sh*t and not killed in the first go.
See you all on next expansion fellas!
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The problem is not AMZ itself being too strong. The problem is that you can stack it by bringing multiple DKs. Abilities that incentivize class stacking are always a problem.
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