"Havoc Demon Hunters have a new passive, Unending Hatred , which expands their Fury’s maximum capacity, letting them get an extra hit or two in.
The Dark Slash Talent has evolved into Essence Break , which deals Chaos damage and significantly increases the damage that both Chaos Strike and Blade Dance deal for a short duration."
Honestly, from all of the ideas that one can have or think about that you can do with a fresh class that has no long standing lore/skills/abilities like other classes you decide to go with:
“What we gonna do about Havoc?”
“Lets nerf their dmg and give them Fel Blade basline!”
“No no lets give them both Fel Blade aaand Demon Blades but nerf dmg!”
“Lets give them flying with their wings”
“Lets separate momentum and bring back VR resets Felrush”
“Lets bring back FotI!”
“Id just give them a new unique pet and be done with it”
“Pfff no…I, as a generous God will give them…silence…MORE DMG! Casue they really lack dmg right now! (sarcasm) and they will have that dmg every 20sec for 10 sec!..im sooo shmart! Also…silence…i will up their max fury to 200 so they can spam even more demons bite! All hail great and generous me!”
If you dont have any fun ideas about the spec like you didnt have for vengeace so you stole from havoc BUT in this case they sound really fun…Id rather have my unique pet.
Yes this is a qq post cause looking at it…im amazed with the lack of ingenuity.
DH is middle of the pack right now, I don’t think I’ve seen DHs top dps in ny’alotha but feel free to prove me wrong (mythic only counts).
I for one would be glad for an apex dps build without leech.
Btw, have you realized we may not get furious gaze as a passive? With furious gaze and Demonic I’m at 127% haste, without furious gaze and my haste corruptions which won’t exist in SL I’m at 44% haste.
I’m very concerned about DHs going into shadowlands tbh, on paper it looks like we’ll be the betas of DPS (meaning low-end dps).
honestly, at this point in playing DH since the release i can safely say im bored with the class to a point that a) i cant stand playing it since its boring as fk (no skill interaction what so ever, its basically dumbed down fury) and b) cant play anything else cause i cant VR off of buildings and jump over fences and stuff. For all i care nerf dmg to a point of a healer just do something with the talents that will be fun to play and will make you be on your toes not fall asleep half the time. M+ is bearable cause its short bursts of fun where you dont feel DB CS spam so much. But raiding is just pure torture.
De gustibus but i really hate this playstyle, and having 1 more button to press just cause theres 1 more button to press is not my idea of fun. The idea still remains the same, heres one more “burst phase” where youll have to dump your fury on. Ooor even worse…try to time your EB into WhateversTheSkillsName and than oh wait what then…oh yeah CS BD…its the same crap with a skill in between EB and BD
also loving this " Vengeance Demon Hunters will see changes to Soul Cleave and their Talents to encourage more build variety outside of Spirit Bomb." Has anyone told them its 8.3 and that nobody plays SB anymore (dunno for raiding but in m+ SB is a forgotten talent)?
We don’t really need any changes. Devs need to add furious gaze, chaotic transformation, eyes of rage and revolving blades as passives. Another thing could be to give us cooldown reduction for meta and chaos nova based on either soul fragments consumed or fury spent, or both. Other than that, adjust the dmg cause we’re losing essences. Flying with our wings ( or better yet, jump into demon form while flying), water walking (been wanting to do that since warcraft 3), a reward for bringing enemies out of stealth while using spectral sight (slight dps increase for a couple of secs or increased attack speed or something).
oh we really actually do need changes, cause we have warrs, paladins, dks, monks, rogues and 90% of ranged to stand still and do dmg. Wouldnt it be nice to have a class which dmg is tied the their movement…hmm i remember we had one in last expansion begining. Like disc priests unique ability to shield allies and heal them by doing dmg.
No it wouldn’t because what you’re proposing has been tried in legion and it failed miserably. The current iteration of havoc, as “basic” as you may see it, has plenty of depth and complexity given the number of abilities it currently has and most dhs I’ve seen still fail spectacularly at playing the spec at a decent level.
Played Wrathion yesterday, didnt kill myself - didnt do much dmg, cause im not Method/Limit/Pieces material, took me a while to plan my dances, was my first time playing momentum on mythic difficulty and im usually the one to grab scales tho was left out yesterday, but i still felrushed like an idiot to pick one and than oh nop, what now…oh look go hit pillars - i did 42k something like that.
Also VR resets stacks so you can pretty much run circles around Wrathion without dying (metaphorically speaking). Did ok on Skitra - but logs there are meh, details say i did 60k which is totally acceptable with me. Today is Maut. Hopefully i dont kill myself there. (also had a bit of practise on HC Shad’har and Drest). You all are describing it like you die at first fel rush…its not as near as bad as you all describe it to be.
All in all spec feels so much more engaging than Demonic, takes a lot of adjustments and planning where and when to get the buff (do i have fury or not), when to jump when not to jump (is some mechanic coming and where will it land). Will take a while to get used to it. Fun time was trying to felrush not leaving the shroom + rain area on Skitra. But anywho what i want to say is:
Dont care what you do with Demonic Blizzard, just please implement 2x Expadient R3s and 1x Ineffable Truth (50% one) into Momentum. Why those corruptions - cause spec feel a lot more fluid when you actually do have fury and do get somewhat stable resets on Fel Blade. And maybe VR resets Fel Blade. Im fine with green - blue logs!
