they are too incompetent to do anything,blizz is run by bunch of boomers who are slow to change anything.
Hyperbole.
The problem isn’t that blizzard is ignoring the players. Its a question of what players they listen to.
Some complaints people had in BFA.
We don’t want infinite AP grind and island spam, that is indeed fixed in SL. There is Anima, but that is for vanity rewards, not player power.
People wanted pvp vendors. They are now here.
People complained that all the loot devalued getting loot in the first place. Well, blizzard has done something about it.
People wanted HC to be more relevant, and have proper progress, well, with the increase in difficulty we got that.
A lot of people wanted the AoE spam to stop, and give classes their niches back. Well, we got AoE cap, so classes do have their niches again.
Now we can argue if the solutions to the problems are good, imo some are, others aren’t.
We can even argue if these “problems” should have been the first one solved.
But you can’t really say blizzard is ignoring everything the players say 
Imho, the biggest problem for wow is it tries to cater to everyone, but in trying that it caters to no one…
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There is a bit of a skewed percentage though. High end content is catered to far more, while this is just a small part of the playerbase.
The biggest part of the playerbase should be the one most catered to imo.
I’d argue the other way, but I am curious how in your opinion does the game cater to high end. I can hardly deny I am more in the high end camp of players, and honestly, I don’t see it. The only thing that has “improved” for high end is that AP farm has been eliminated.
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We have our Mythic raid as always, we have our high M+ keys… but M+ is and infinite scaling system, so that doesn’t cater to high end.
Mythic raid, well the raid is made anyway, and more often than not,Mythic encounters are super bugged because a feel bosses are never really tested.
With High End I mean any mythic content.
So for instance the mega dungeon being mythic only AGAIN is another spit to the face of everyone who doesn’t enjoy mythics. There should be an heroic version in the same patch. Not 6-9 months later when that content is no longer relevant.
I think it definitely does count.
Mythic version often has extra stuff, extra phases and whatnot. So it’s not a simple ‘copy and paste’ procedure. Besides; don’t they START with the mythic and then just remove/simplify/nerf stuff for lower difficulties?
But it’s not just about that content: Almost all the changes I would consider ‘bad’ in Shadowlands were made because high end players were whining (in previous expansions). They were catered to, despite them being a small percentage of the playerbase.
But even if you are right with your assessment (which I don’t think you are, as seen from my above arguments); well, it’s the smallest part of the playerbase; so it makes sense they’d get the least. Sucks for those who are amongst them, sure, but that makes all the sense in the world. Unfortunately there’s more at work than just ‘some raids and M+’.
Just because it has the mythic tag doesn’t mean it’s high end content, if anything i’d consider the megadungeon exclusively content for the casual player base for the first 6-9 months until we get it on M+, high end players will more than likely just blast it day one, and then not do it again until it get’s added for M+ (Unless ofc there is super strong item from there)
M+ is a kind of content that is designed for everyone, for what ever difficulty is best for you. So saying it’s for high end players is wrong … because if that was the case, the difficulty would just start at +15 or higher.
I disagree, from what i saw on forums.
It was the casuals that wanted HC to be more relevant, so it was buffed.
It was the casuals that wanted more classic like loot, so that is what we got.
It was the casuals that celebrated the covenant system, i was quite frankly told to (shut my mouth with rude words) on forums when i raised concerns about it. same with the loot system.
Agree to disagree.
But it really isn’t.
It’s for results-driven, tryhard type players.
Well, that would be… ‘not mythic’.
Your definition of high end is clearly different than mine.
Ok, but before we start ‘what you saw’ is not the equivalent of ‘how it is’.
Just making that clear beforehand.
Not one of the changes I was talking about.
But; how was it buffed?
Definitely not.
Classic fanbois say such things.
And there’s not much wrong with the covenant system.
Would I like to be able to switch a bit faster? Sure. But it’s fine.
The loot system is screwing over casual players, so no.
Then there’s the removal of TF (could have been improved with a few simple changes).
The changes to WQs (were fine the way they were).
The removal of infinite grind (I like having stuff to do; stuff that feels worthwhile).
All bad things imo.
Agree to disagree, everyone can find a level where they’re comfortable with this system imo.
Would it make you feel better if Blizzard renamed it to unicorn farts ?
Agreed, i am talking about the top 1% of players, the best of the best.
Agree, and this goes both ways, both of us can only speak of what we’ve seen and our experience.
The last 2 bosses is quite a bit harder compared to previous tiers.
Again, that is my experience, when i voiced my concerns about this system, i was downvoted and told to go away by a bunch of 6/12 Normal or HC people.
From the top players perspective, there is not much right with the system, should have been cosmetic only, and then gone all out on that front. Would mean you didn’t have to time gate the story or anything.
TF did nothing good for the game imho. The best call was to remove it.
WQ’s, dont know, dont care, haven’t done them in ages, not really content high end players do. So can’t really say they cater to us in any way.
And as for the remove of the infinite grind, it’s still there, in the form of anima, they have just removed the player power in it. Did you honestly think it was engaing gameplay to do a bunch of world quests, and every now and again, your necklace would randomly gain some extra stats ? o.0
And FYI, the loot system is screwing the top players just as much.
I said that and you disagreed xD
I can’t. So that alone already disproves your statement.
No. It would still be the same basic thing.
The name doesn’t matter.
No automated queueing.
Higher difficulty.
Different target audience.
Not my thing.
That would be world first raiders. Those aren’t even a group tbh.
They don’t matter.
Let’s call that group ‘elite’.
The Elite is high end for sure, but high end content is not only ‘elite’.
Just like… WoW is an mmorpg. But not all mmorpgs are WoW.
Not really, because some things are simply facts.
I’ll take your word for it. I don’t raid beyond LFR.
That anecdotal at best.
Well, I’m not speaking for them. Because they are a minority. That is my whole point.
Do you honestly believe that?
Blizzard would timegate it no matter what.
They want their monthly login numbers.
It did LOTS of good for casual players. Lots.
It made lots of lower end content much more interesting and rewarding.
Was it perfect? No. But nothing that couldn’t be fixed. But all the tryhards and elitists cried so long and hard that it got removed. Sadly.
Dude… Seriously… You admit right here that ‘not really content high end players do’ and yet it got changed and nerfed because they and tryhard wannabes cried about ‘having to do chores’. So yeah, changing those to what they are today is most certainly 100% catering to high end players.
And thus made it not worth it.
Player power is always interesting. But cosmetics are 100% subjective. If you don’t like the look of something, you’ll feel no urge to grind whatsoever.
Why do you think I added the ‘stuff that feels worthwhile’?
Yes. Well, not ONLY that of course. TF for instance also made it more engaging.
But my point was, it changed because of whining. And mostly because of elitist high end player whining. Who want to feel special because they want to be able to get gear that others can’t.
Sad.
No, I said you were speaking hyperbole. Which is true.
Yes, the basic idea of what you said I agree with, but it’s not nearly as extreme as you make it out to be.
“Blizzard caters to 0.001% of players” is simply not true.
It’s an mmo, not everything should be automated. If you want a single player experience, I’d honestly recommend a single player game.
Nope, in terms of RIO you need a score of around 1850-1900 to be in the top 1%, 2060 is around the top .5%
So is your comment that the game design caters to the top end.
Ahh, how did you put it anecdotal at best.
The only thing we complained about was the AP system, we didn’t ask for WQ to take longer or anything like that, and that AP has been replaced by Anima… so as far as I am concerned its like BFA … only I can know chose to ignore it.
Agree to disagree.
What kind of inane remark is that?
Automated queueing is STILL playing with others.
RIO doesn’t exist for me.
It has no bearing on anything I do, not will it ever influence anything I do.
Also; what does your response have to do with what I said?
No. Because the changes they made BECAUSE OF COMPLAINTS FROM HIGH END PLAYERS, are FACTUAL. Whether or not the changes are good or not is objective, but that’s not what this is about.
Grasping at straws? Just admit you’re wrong.
It’s not a big thing. No need to be ashamed and trying to save face.
It’s okay.
That may be ‘the only thing’ YOU complained about, but that’s definitely not true for the playerbase at large. So don’t use ‘we’. You only talk for yourself.
Well, what you consider isn’t ‘fact’ perse.
For me it definitely is nothing like BfA. BfA had many faults, but at least I still had a reason and a drive to keep doing the content I like doing for a MUCH longer time than now in Shadowlands. For me there’s a clear difference and for me it sucks.
But you’re trying to remove the need to actually engage with other players.
Then it is also factual that the changes were made because the low end players complained, that’s how it looks from my side of the fence.
Funny how all your next points boils down to, what you say is fact, other peoples experiences is just that, their experience and not fact.
Somehow my “proof” has to be to a higher standard than yours.
ONLY the group finding part.
You’re still engaging with them doing the ACTUAL CONTENT.
Now you’re just trolling.
That’s not what I’m claiming AT ALL.
You start out with saying ‘I saw this’, or ‘I think that’ or ‘from my perspective’…
Well then of course I’m going to put question marks with your ‘claims’.
I did not make ANY claims towards ‘other people’; only you.
I however KNOW the things I said. They are facts.
Sure, there’s more to it than what I pointed out; there’s other types of players too who agree or disagree with whatever. There’s crossover, of course.
What it ultimately boils down to though; Blizzard listened to the wrong people and made bad decisions when it comes to Shadowlands. The general attitude towards Shadowlands makes that very clear.
Where did I ask for proof?
Exactly… I didn’t.
No they are not facts. You are just plain wrong their, it’s what you want to believe, so you make it a fact in your mind.
You dont know why the changes were made.
What you consider “high end players” asked for it
What i consider “low end players” asked for it.
So no, what you claim as fact is in now way or shape a fact.
My claim is just as valid as yours that low end/high end players asked for these changes, we both can only talk about what we’ve seen, and the people we’ve encountered, neither of us talk for the whole player base, and neither of us have any facts. Yet you claim yours as fact, so where is your proof of this so called fact?
This is the only point we agree on, they ones again had to listen to the low end people, who barely do anything in the game, and now everyone has to suffer.
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I wouldn’t bother engaging with them.
That poster is always right and if you dare question them they type in CAPS to make sure you understand they are right.
You’re wasting your time honestly
You’re wrong.
With one caveat: Yes, you and I have different definitions of ‘high end players’ (and as an extension of that ‘low end players’ as well). But your definition simply makes no sense. So there’s that.
Yeah you’re definitely trolling.
Byeeeee.
Well, then i will just type in caps back and explain how wrong they are … If nothing else, it can amuse me a bit before i go to bed 
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