Before HvH the bg queues was a problem for horde, everyone knows that. But with this change they have traded a minor Horde PvP problem to a Alliance PvE, PvP and quite frankly just wholly an Alliance side problem that when looking at it, could cause the whole alliance faction pointless since theres no point to play the minority faction.
Some horde people here are fine with throwing the whole alliance faction under the bus which as a customer thats fine to be selfish if you want to. But since blizzard should be partial about these things i quite frankly do not understand how they would be ok with doing something like this.
Its fine to try fixing the horde queues since it is a problem, but the goal should always be to balance the factions and give a reason to play ether of them, not removing the last few reasons to play in the minority.
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Good question. The primary reason for still playing alliance was short bg queues. Its a quite delicate issue with faction balance.
So when one faction get bigger, theres a snowball effect that affects all manner of gameplay, more people means more deals on AH, more people to group with for PvE and PvP, more guilds. Wpvp is also affected in that the bigger the difference, the larger chance it is to get overrun in quest areas and farming spots.
In pvp servers the ideal situation is obviously a 50/50 where ether faction have equal chance to fight back so this balance is something that should be achieved.
So the factions are largely split between groups like
People who choose the faction because they just like the asthetics, the base of the faction so to speak. Both sides have this.
The people that choose a faction because of an advantage they provide. Its been debated that the horde has better racial abilities which causes the people who strive for the top of pvp to choose that side.
Alliance in return have (had) the advantage of quick bg queues because there is less people on alliance side doing bgs. So someone who wants to run a lot of bgs can easily do so on alliance side.
Which brings us to group
3. The people who choose a side because of the safety it provides. It can be quite a leap of faith to pick the side that has less players because theres this risk of having less players to trade/play with and more enemies in the world to fight.
So from these we can see that group 2 lost their representatives since the advantage is gone for alliance side, then group 3 also sides even more to horde side because theres a larger risk of losing players from alliance side. Leaving only the first group of people on alliance side.
Personally i havent seen much crying about unfair wpvp on the forums. That change doesnt give a reason to come back to alliance, it gives a reason to come back to horde if anything.
Its a false safety that can turn on the alliance at anytime still.
Why would anyone invest time and effort into a character that might end up locked to a faction/server that collapses?
Over time if if you are not bothered about War Games change as alliance you will be looking over your shoulder thinkingâŚare people leveling? Are people that we lose via natural wastage even being replaced?
I donât see how you have such short sightedness. 90% of the player base in TBCC wouldnât play on private server âbecause it could die at any secondâ yet all of a sudden this doesnât fit zug zug narrative?
Why invest in alliance NOW is the question?
Why? Theres a 58 boost and you can be s1 pre arena geared in 1 weekendâŚitâs a no brainer.
To be fair, the only ârealâ problem is the dying alliance on pvp servers, and OH MY GOD WHAT A COINCIDENCE blizzard already has a solution for that, it only costs you 25 bucks to transfer to a pve server. Imagine how much money blizz will make because ppl are tired of playing on a dead server (atleast dead for their faction).
Im always impressed by how blizzard figures out ways to make more money even though the game gets worse.
Itâs a risky strategy on Activisionâs behalf though.
Yes I am considering to switch to either Earthshaker (one of very few alliance dominated pvp servers) or PvE, but I am equally contemplating abandoning the game all together in favour of a pserver.
The first option would get Activision an extra 25âŹ, but the second option might just as well mean that they lose the revenue of a year + of subscriptions (not to mention that my hatred for Activision will keep growing).
Iâm sure Blizzard know full well the devastating longterm effects this will have, they just donât care. The highly vocal instant-reward community seems quite big when you read on these forums and they have taken a hold of classic and their wallets adds up I guess. Product-integrity is secondary to $.
Classic turns more into retail and p-servers will get alot of returning players. It is what it is. Itâs a bit sad though. Wish they had adressed the population-problem back a long time ago instead of securing the death of it.
I disagree. Not being able to play as alliance have been the case ever since the start of classic vanilla. And each day the population imbalance grows larger and larger. This won´t change that. It is rather the other way around, a deathwarrant for the alliance faction.
Actually Iâve spent many years on p-servers, playing as both horde and alliance, thank you very much. Why must everyone call people they disagree with clueless/crybabies/l2p etc all the time? Is there no one who left in here who is capable of having a discussion like adults?
Instead of returning the favour and calling you an idiot, hereâs my view.
Privateservers have had solutions for faction-balance, for example incentives for people to roll alliance. But instead of adressing the population imbalance, Blizzard is going it the other way around, cemeting the already heavily favourable faction. This will only snowball the faction-imbalance even more, just like character-boosts did.
A way less disruptive method couldâve been to try out opening up for horde to transfer to alliance for starters.
I think our difference in opinion boils down to this. In my opinion the underlying problem is that the faction-population that nowhere near balanced in regards of pvpers and have been the case for a long time and is only getting worse each day, long queues is nothing but a symptom. In the later stages we will probably see more servers ending up like just Flamelash did. Now, adding a bandaid that further this imbalance even more is very bad longterm.
Horde to Alliance transfers are probably coming as well, stop crying and be patient. This was a much more pressing issue than population imbalance. And of course you brought up your examples very selectively because most popular servers havenât had such radical incentives and the populations were roughly balanced, maybe slightly skewed towards horde
How alliance still can argue with short queue was reason to play alliance befor was 15-30 bgs of the same type open now its 200 the 170-185 bgs which are extra are now filled on both sides with horde. And this numbers dont reflect in anyway the population its the low interest from alliance to pvp. Yes the pop also is lower but by far not at this amount.
Long term youâd expect the Alliance population on PvP servers with a high horde ratio to drift down to nothing. Iâd argue that doing so anyway was an exercise in frustration, and Blizzard have just told you to drop dead.
Some will relocate to the few Alliance dominated PvP servers. Some will move to the alliance dominated PvE servers and some will just quit.
Iâm not crying, thank you for your concern. Iâm trying to reason and have a civilized discussion here but itâs proving difficult. Can you stop trying to insult me?
Well, yes, perhaps for me and you. But for wow classic as a whole I disagree. Do you think for instance the players on Flamelash would agree? Is it healthy for the game if every pvper is playing horde in a years time or so? This change will only make things even worse longterm, and quite frankly anyone can see it coming. You have all the conâs on the alliance faction and only proâs for choosing horde. How will this affect the population longterm? Iâm pretty sure of what the result will be.
The difference between me and you is that I knew full well we would have massive queues and still I rolled horde, it was simply put the better option from all other aspects. Sure I dislike the queues but Iâm not going to complain about it. From my point of view I still got off easy.
Iâm curious though, what is the harm in me thinking that we shouldâve adressed the rootcause? I mean, letâs say they opened up transfers and things balanced out eventually by that change alone, wouldnât that be a good thing? Perhaps even better than having every pvper playing horde?
because they wouldnât have had balanced out, contrary to what you may think transfers arenât a silver bullet, I donât want to play alliance same as 90% other horde players.
Besides, Iâm not insulting you, itâs only your insecurity that makes you think I am. Stop confabulating and putting words in my mouth, I havenât called you an idiot. I said you havenât got any idea about what youâre saying because you havenât, I also said you should stop crying, because you should stop crying. Thatâs not insulting, if you think it is youâre very insecure, and Iâm sorry if you are.
But for the record I never claimed that horde -> alliance transfers would be a magic silverbullet. It couldâve been a good start though. Because solving the underlying cause is a better approach than applying a bandaid to a symptom and making it worse longterm.
Anyway this discussion is pointless at best. Have a nice day.