It should be required because the primo change is here. Can you not read at all? For real though you’re an OAP with a disability or purposely just missing the majority of my post in every reply?
Getting 25 primos will cost nowhere near a millions gold. You’re trying to tell me the minimum price of a primo will be 80,000 gold per unit after 3-4 days of ICC being live? Your delusion is beyond measure.
We’ll come back to this post on the Sunday evening of the first week just to show you that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Go and look at the quest for the souls. How many you need and what trash drops them. You’ll see after a bit of research it’s very possible in 25 man. I will give you a hint. Go to wowhead, find the quest, read the first 50 comments. It’s not that difficult - but for you, it probably is.
You quote the primo change when I said it’s good. But you keep quoting nonsense. Lowering the opening cost and increasing primos is good. It says on the first line of my thread. You’re just a terrible troll and you don’t understand the quest chain.
If you don’t do the rep grind (and everyone who had Shadowmourne originally did) this step alone would take you 5 weeks assuming you don’t take breaks during trash.
Your delusion and ability to read really is frightening. You didn’t read all the comments.
You’ll get souls from:
each usual mob
the spawning adds from Lady Deathwhisper
the spawning adds from Valithria Dreamwalker
the mobs from the two traps at The Plagueworks
One day when you can read, you’ll finally stop looking like a clown.
Quite hilarious how you refuse to read a single thing anyone posts, yet reply with such confidence when you miss the mark in every reply, have zero understanding of the subject matter and have clearly never played original/pserver or done single shred of research before making yourself look like you have dementia.
You can get it easy, in 25 man, like I said. But again you’re wrong. You do not read. You do not understand the quest chain. Every reply you make it either incorrect or simply ridiculous because you’re arguing a point nobody is debating such as Primos.
Keep trying, King. If you need more education please let me know. Happy to read for you and break it down into understandable bullet points if you desire.
You can enter ICC 25 hc with the soul quest, and easily leave with it completed in a single ID. So it is possible. You just keep making yourself look stupid.
Then you link a random friends character that likely isn’t yours that got the Wep 2 months before Cata and pretend you actually did it. Hilarious tier stuff.
Rather than linking random characters, you’d be best focusing on your 6/10 Anub hc clears and your actual character. Rough stuff for you today. Quite literally wrong about everything and now you’re just going crazy with lying.
Read the comment. Read my other posts. Read wowhead. Get a brain. It is possible and it says so in the comments but you’re so useless that even quoting it for you makes no difference because you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about - or you’re trolling.
And don’t worry, I know you’re wrong as you are with quite literally every single reply you’ve written. Completely clueless.
No. I’m saying keep it how it is and just keep the primo change. You don’t understand anything because you simply can not read. Every reply shows clearly you’re incapable of reading and you don’t understand the quest chain or how the specific quests work even after I quoted some of the comments in bullet point form. You’re useless.
The primordial change on it’s own will simply not change a thing for weeks into the game.
It also leads to less use of the crafted gear from ICC cause you will in all cases just sell the primordials you grind rather than craft gear.
It’s all tied in together.
My guy, you’re still unwilling to accept that A Feast of Souls without rep grinding would take 4-5 weeks and you think I’m the one who doesn’t understand the quest?
Agreed on this, but I didn’t ask to be put into this world so you’ll have to take that up with my parents.
Before the changes, there was a good argument for having your entire guild pitch in for the first Shadow’s Edge. Because doing so would speed up not only the first Shadowmourne, but all Shadowmournes as well. And even 1-2 extra lockouts can make a difference when we might not get more than 20-25 or so, at most.
Conversely, there’s much less of a reason to do so now. Sure, Shadow’s Edge is still a good weapon. But that’s it. It’s just a decent upgrade over whatever 258 weapon your DPS might be using. And there’re a lot of easy ICC10hc/ICC25hc with weapons comparable to Shadow’s Edge - I’d venture a guess that a Hc Cryptmaker would hold up pretty well to it, for example.
Basically, by making it so that guilds can start the SFS without having to worry about having SE (and the whole chain quest done) immediately, it removes a lot of pressure from the guild on the first lockout (I dread to imagine the kind of degeneracy we would have needed to do in order to get the Splinter of the Throne quest on 1st lockout… rush to Fester/Rot, and then what, go to ICC10 and farm trash there until we get 1000 souls? Good lord).
EDIT: Even if you somehow can reset ICC25 to do the 1000 souls instead before progressing to the ICC25 wing bosses… that still feels degenerate as heck to have to do week 1, and I see no hard loss in not having to do it.
Just an aside, I don’t think this was ever a good idea, but that just means it puts the entire responsibility on the person selected for a Shadowmourne and possible the guild bank. It’ll always be better to upgrade the entire raid than getting a single Shadowmourne.
I understand the desire to do this though, but I just don’t think it’s a good idea.
Yup, explained exactly this above. His response has consistently been “you can get the souls in 25 man doing it normally” which is just silly. He quite clearly does not believe it’s 1000 souls.
It doesn’t change a thing. If the price is reduced like it is, then it’s accessible. Previously before the change people would pitch in, but now they won’t need to - as you said, so there’s no need to have shards dropping now.
Also fixated from primos which you didn’t read and now on the souls part which you didn’t read. Useless replying to you but you’re bumping the thread so keep your braindead comments coming.
It doesn’t change the fact that a lot of guilds would have done it, and I’m glad they don’t have to now. I mean, it’s not like the quest chain suddenly disappears. It just means you can do it over several lockouts without feeling pressured to do everything on week 1.
Again, there is need to, in the sense that this way you can, say, get Shadow’s Edge completed by week 2, maybe do 1-2 infusions on week 3 and the remaining one(s) on week 4, without nowhere as much pressure on the guild’s progressing efforts.
It reduces the pressure in return removing any prestige from the weapon. Classic is about having 1000s of people spawning around the first level 60 on jokered stream. It’s about videos coming out about the first TF. The PvP videos and flex of shadowmourne. It makes the game feel alive and keeps the spirit of Classic here - that’s why these quests were designed to be difficult but accessible over time, not quickly or instantly. Pressure and commitment was required, and should continue to be so.
Primo change is enough accessibility and pressure relief. The other changes are not required.
It just makes you spend a lot of time and/or gold on Primordial Saronites early on (and yes, without the other changes, the Primordial Saronite price would be through the roof) or delay your entire raid by having them use the first 18 emblems of frost on Primordial Saronites rather than on their own tier gear.
It all ties together and one without the other simply changes nothing.
You’re so clapped in the mind that I don’t even know how to respond to you after I have replied the same thing to the same crap you post every reply. Just go back and read or stop trolling. Such a weird guy man.
Really out here talking about primos in every reply when you didn’t read the first line of my post and saying shadowmourne quest wasn’t designed to be slightly difficult. Such a cringe guy.