the horde was, I just mean I wasn’t. Who cares if the horde was negatively impacted? The question should be, was it interresting. Like example in GoT Red Wedding, was bad for starks who we rooted for, does that make it bad? does that mean it shouldn’t have happened? I wouldn’t say so, it made things interresting. Not gonna say garrosh was super interresting, but by wow standards he was higher than most
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I mean, if you’re a player and you don’t agree with those actions and you’ve been with a faction where ‘honor’ is supposed to play an important part in things… Yeah, I think people that play Horde would be upset at something similar happening.
I wouldn’t say interesting, was just… typical hot headed orc leader doing bad stuff trying to toe the line without the entire Horde going into revolt against him.
Get back to your desert singing dolly and dot… we need less Horde players like that!
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You really want Garrosh back…
With this style of writing…?
You meanBlizzard should stop this project (game)? Because without conflict/war between the two factions, what else is intriguing?
WoW is literally Orc vs Humans game.
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Garrosh was too strong and too dangerous for the mortal world. You better not summon him, you never know what that crazy badass orc might come up with 
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Baine is just plain out boring character even Jailer didn’t have any use for him and threw him off the ledge and he has maw rats in he’s army.
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Pffft… One dimensional Orc supremacist, who went postal…died…and became a rechargeable battery, in the afterlife.
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It would be a major improvement over the mary sue that we have had for the past years EVEN with the current writers
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I mean the fact that they are all this time still milking him out of his Anima is crazy man… Shows you how prideful he is/was, but yeah id take Garrosh or Voljin over Sylvanas, nothing against her but damn being in the center of attention for what now 3 expansions? Enough is enough, get benched or killed off
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Yes. The game needs Uncle “testosterone loaded” Garrosh more than ever.
Let them kill Sylvanas if they want but bring our warhcief back, our true warchief
*and Gallywix please
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I don’t really want an incompetent manchild running the faction again if that is all the same? Sorry, I said running the faction, I meant of course ‘ruining’ the faction.
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Or OP maybe you could kill your character and remain in SL with your unevolved mutated purple orc and RP saying “yes daddy” to whatever the NPC does.
Let me guess he is manchild because he is not nice. How dare a warchief not be nice!
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Nah, more because he is a snivelling emo kid when we first meet him, then is a petulant child stamping on model boats instead of doing anything of any value, has the tactical nous of a stunned kitten and can’t really do much apart from growl a lot. Rubbish character.
He’s a manchild because he acts like a manchild. Nothing to do with how nice he is or isn’t.
He’s so focused on alliance shipping lanes in Northrend (and thinking that simply sending a vast majority of his boats to secure it will = victory, forgetting the fact it leaves him little-no boats elsewhere) that he misses the fact the scourge are literally assaulting the farms outside warsong hold providing his troops with food.
He appoints generals in cata with no real idea of what they’re doing and then has the audacity to lecture thrall about how it’s HIS fault that Garrosh did what he did, by that logic Garrosh should have packed it in long ago because i’ve lost count of the “incompentent generals” you end up killing in Cata because they did something bad despite earning their rank under Garrosh’s system. Surely the buck stops with him? Apparently not. It’s “someone else’s fault”.
Cairne Mak’gora? He wails about how Magatha cheated him more so than the fact that monitoring whether his weapon was blessed in the right way or not was his responsibility and not anyone elses. Fact is he didn’t particularly care to check (he was also stupid enough to think having a known hater of your opponent offer to bless the weapon would be a good idea).
Garrosh’s meanness and brutality are not what makes him a manchild (and not encessarily bad things, his sharp-stance against the alliance is largely fine).
However it’s just willfully obtuse to act like Garrosh is a military actor with the shrewdness and maturity of someone like Saurfang for example. He had an overly simplistic view of war “might makes right”, he cared only for the heroic tales of his actions and never really gave thought to other consequences.
It’s very clear Garrosh had a MAJOR inferiority complex in relation to his father, arguably one of the biggest heroes the horde ever had. TBC shows us initially Garrosh is a snivveling wreck of an individual in relation to this with no direction nor purpose because “I can’t be him”.
Then in wrath we see Garrosh appears to be all about “being more hellscream than Grom” and most of his behaviour is seemingly about appearing to be big on style and posture and not really caring about substance. He would happily do something with strategic drawbacks if it made people talk about him as being “wild and uncompromising” benefits be damned.
In this way he very much was a manchild, becuase Garrosh is still quite young before his death you have to remember. “Daddy issues” actually explain him very well. Garrosh was trying to stand tall amongst a family legacy that is titanic in size, and “old friends” of his dad like Saurfang whom have legends of their own. His name carried an expectation in his head which he had to live up to. This is a child’s way of thinking.
His father died to be free from the bloodlust and necessity to war, and Garrosh believed the best way to honour that legacy was to drink in the bloodlust his father was trying to escape from, because Garrosh only saw in his father the merits of the very thing he was trying to stop being rather than reflecting on the fact that Grom’s biggest moment of heroism was went he put his own bloodlust to rest permanently to spare others conflict. He doesn’t even know WHY his dad was a hero of learn from his dad’s death the most potent lesson that comes from it.
He was a hulking child of an orc.
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How can I not when this is the lens through which these characters are written? Baine himself didn’t so much as lift a finger against Sylvanas until she targeted his personal friends in the Alliance and Thrall had to be dragged back from his self imposed exile in Outland by a guy who himself only got his mojo back after a stern pep talk by the Alliance king. The fact that the Horde cannot project stability on their own and not fall into tyranny and war without the guiding hand of the Alliance, Alliance adjacent characters or their bestest buddies in the Horde is a tragic indictment of how the writers have mismanaged the faction in the previous decade.
And the Horde has always been defined by their relation to the Alliance. It’s kinda natural when half the races or more are in it only or partly because of prior persecution or discrimination by the blue team. Now, that doesn’t mean that the factions have to erupt into total war every other expansion but I do prefer it to remain an adversarial relationship.
…if for no other reason than the fact that I really dislike Baine and Calia and would hate to see more of their types be elevated in our stories. 
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Nah. I don’t think so. Sorry. You are bad at judging characters.
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He was a cool guy, clearly he doesn’t think the same of me or he would have given me a loan of his shoulder appearance!!
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Oh I think I am good at judging them, and apparently, so do others.