Idea: Mythic+ Token vendor

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I genuinely have no idea myself whether this is a good idea or not - I read it somewhere, though I can’t recall exactly where.

That said, do you think it might be worthwhile to introduce a Mythic+ Token vendor?

The vendor could offer a range of items such as toys, mounts, and transmogs, but more significantly, it would provide access to loot from the eight dungeons. This would allow Mythic+ players to purchase their Best-in-Slot items directly, rather than relying on the often frustrating randomness of drops.

It would also give players who regularly push high keys another avenue to acquire Mythic-level gear.

My suggestion is that the final boss, if defeated within the timer, would drop one token corresponding to the level of the key completed. For example, completing a Hero-level key would reward a Hero token.

Token Breakdown:

  • Mythic+ 1 to 7 – Champion Tokens
    Can only be used to purchase items marked with the Champion token symbol.
  • Mythic+ 8 to 10 – Hero Tokens
    Can only be used to purchase items marked with the Hero token symbol.
  • Mythic+ 11 and above – Mythic Tokens
    Can only be used to purchase items marked with the Mythic token symbol.

Edit: I forgot to mention that you might need 3 to 5 tokens to purchase something and maybe even more to purchase a weapon.

Edit 2: I also forgot to say that bosses should still drop random loot, but the token is just a guarantee for all players who timed the key.

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It is a good idea for players, because it prevents bad luck and makes players gearing up faster and more efficiently.

So it is a bad idea for devs, because it eliminates randomness and shorten player farming/playing time, which Blizzard hates.

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Now that i’ve read my own post several times, I do believe it to be a good idea! I can’t take credit though, but I can’t find the original source.

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they should just copy the model from cata classic which really works wonders there.

the only reason they dont want to implement is is because of Ions ego and how much he hates deterministic gearing.

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This would just lead to a severe drought of players though the season. I could theoretically do 20+ dungeons in a day. This gives me 4-5 BIS items per day meaning that within a week i am completely finished running dungeons for loot. What do i do for the rest of the season?

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Considering Ion was part of a theorycrafting group, I doubt he’s the one enforcing the randomness in gearing. It’s people superior to him.

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he literaly lead 1 hour long panel on blizzcon which could be titled " deterministic gearing bad " - couple of years ago .

and then playerbase forced him to put VP back in game.

he still cant get through it.

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It’s a terrible idea.

I assume it’s the same as vanilla cataclysm, there were weekly caps on valor points and the highest level gear was ONLY available from heroic raiding.

This is a bad idea because it effectively allows people to grind BIS week one.

I’m not a classic zealot but there were plus points. BIS was not a right, it was aspirational.

These days people think that they should get BIS week one.

We all know Blizzard’s ego stops them from admitting they were wrong during an expansion, this is not a case of it. If people could get BIS, not just gear, week one they remaining weeks would be as good as dead. It’s the same reason raids have a lock out.

I’d like to see vault gone. M+ treated like a raid: one CHANCE per dungeon of loot per week.

WoW is like a real community, of sorts, everyone plays their small part in keeping the wheels turning.

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It is a pretty bad idea for the start of the season (up until X.Y.5 or X.Y.7), but might be a pretty good thing for the end of the seasons.

Apart from greatly increasing the gear acquisition rate, it is fully deterministic. The problem with that is that it negates ANY excitement that they try to create with randomness, and just makes gearing a grind that you “complete by week X”.

I think that is not a bad thing per se, but it would feel best as a “bad luck protection” system when valor points get uncapped in later patches in the season. It will let players finally get their BiS if they did not have it yet, and let those with alts be able to actually get the gear they want for the end of the patch.

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You have to limit gear aquisition some way.

The worst you can do to M+ is literally make players play less of it. No players == no M+. Simple as that.

Its a tricky thing to balance. Too easy, and people unsub. Too hard, and people unsub. There is a sweet spot somewhere in between.

And the problem with determinisitic loot is that you would need… say… 50 tokens for 1 piece. And you get X tokens per dungeon.

Because you KNOW how many dungeons you need to do, if its more than 1 dungeon people get frustrated. I know this because its the main complaint people have against Crests.

IMO the RNG of loot in M+ is fine.

The ONLY problem is Myth track gear. And Raid loot (which many times is much better).

The way you solve it is:

  • Bullions for the Raid gear.
  • The 6 tokens in the vault should allow you to buy an upgrade of a piece. So from hero to myth track. This would be limited to 1 peice per week, and only IF you refuse (dont take) the 3 options you get from M+. So you would STILL take 14 weeks to fully gear out in Myth Track. Which is sufficient time-gating.

You avoid all the problems I mentioned above. You can gear up to max ilvl in a reliable deterministic way. Which is at the same time gated so its not too fast, AND there is a way to regulate that time. You could charge 3 or 4 tokens for the upgrade if Blizzard thinks its appropriate.

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It seems many of you have raised the same valid concern: “What’s to stop people from gearing up in just one week?”

Well, simply introduce a modest cap on the number of tokens you can earn each week.

What I’m trying to suggest here is a fairly solid idea that not only provides players with an additional route to obtain gear, but also introduces an element of choice. Anyone who plays WoW would much rather have choice than rely on randomness.

How to obtain gear in Mythics:

  • Random drops from end-of-dungeon bosses
  • One random piece from the Vault
  • One selected piece via tokens

I don’t believe this would break the game - if anything, it would likely encourage players to engage more.

It also offers an alternative way to earn Mythic gear for those running keys at +11 and above… which addresses a common complaint from the high-key community.

Personally, I’m currently struggling to get Hero shoulders and legs - just a case of bad luck, really. It’s starting to get a bit frustrating, and I imagine others feel the same. Having the option to buy the shoulders and legs to complete my Hero set would honestly be a blessing in disguise.

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Sounds like this would mean people would be done with the season quicker and thus stop playing sooner which is a loss for Blizzard.

I do like it though but doubt they’ll do it unless it’s the last season where they recycle everything due to laziness and stop caring.

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I dont want to be rude. But I simply cannot take this “deterministic” gearing process seriously by someone like you.

I looked at your Raider IO and you have done:

16 dungeons that drop Hero gear. In total. Out of a total of 82 M0 runs. 42 5+ runs, and 13 +2 runs.

And the result of that is that literally ALL your gear, except Shoulders and Pants are Hero gear. So 12/14 slots. INCLUDING 2 crafted 675 items that require Guilded Crests.

So TLDR of all this is: You would already be Hero 6/6 like 3 weeks ago if instead of wasting your time doing almost 140 runs in key levels that give you nothing of value, you would have jumped streight to +7.

So I simply cannot believe what your beef is with this. Simply because for the ilvl you have (almost full hero 6/6) you are WAY over-geared for the +8s you are currently doing. Like by 40 ilvls atleast.

Gear is already given out for free. Basically, there is NO RNG if the probability of getting Hero Gear is literally 100%.

So basically. YES. It would break the game if gear is even easier to get. In fact, it should be harder to get IMO. It’s just been 1 month and you are already FULL Hero 6/6.

What will you do once you get your pants and shoulders? Because currently you have the gear to do +14s and above. And yet… you are still sitting on your +8s which, for someone of your gear level, should be a walk in the park like none other.

You look like a person that once you are fully geared, you unsub. So if anything, they should give even LESS gear and gate it even further based on your profile alone.

The Myth Track gear problem for high keys is a real issue. Because its unobtainable. And being full Myth track does help you out in higher keys. In particular, the massive HP difference of a 10 ilvl difference between Hero and Myth. With out that, you simply cannot survive certain key levels.

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Just add the bullion vendor each patch and include M+ items. A lot of raiders don’t want to do M+ and and a lot of key pushers don’t want to raid. This solves that problem as well as the vault hell.

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Sorry, Uda,

It’s clear you’re not in favour of this system.
Thanks for your feedback.

I do my best to support the community, but it seems pointing out my faults and shortcomings brings you more satisfaction — and you appear to believe that’s the more constructive approach.

On to the next one…

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First: That is very lame from you. I disagree with your statement. And what you do is literally brush it out. So only people that agree with you are allowed to have a conversation? Especially when I gave sensible arguments.

Seccond: Pointing out your flaws? WHAT flaws? I am literally saying that you have done a fantastic job gearing! And that you dont need any extra help doing that. You have done just fine. And that is my primary argument.

Especially when we agree on 1 thing: There has to be some time-gating in the system. And with the current gating you are doing perfectly fine… That is not pointing out flaws. That is literally saying that more gear simply wont be a positive thing, based on the idea we both agree on.

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That is again a problem in itself . People will play less week .hence people will again miss the train per week

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Any or BIS?

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