If the ripcord won't be pulled, can we at least switch covenants at will?

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I usually don’t post on the forums, since usually I like the way the rest of the community pushes the game. I saw #pulltheripcord, and I was happy so I didn’t get involved. But I am dreading the beginning of shadowlands so much already and it hasn’t even started yet.

I personally think covenants are a great way to express your character, I love chooosing and asthetic and a story and getting deep into improving your covenant sanctum. However, why is there an 8th talent row linked to the covenants?
I want to play around with the different abilities in lategame, because that is fun to me, why can’t I? I really like the aesthetics of night fae personally, but as it is looking, my mage won’t be able to go night fae, because the ability linked to it, doesn’t seem that strong. Even if this is tuned somehow, AOE abilities will not be as good on single target and vice versa. I just want to be able to easily reroll covenants, as I plan to play arena, mythic raids and mythic+, and for each one I would like to play with a different ability. Why can’t we have access to all the abilities our classes have?

Storywise it doesn’t make sense to me either, we are an ally to all covenants, however we have to specifically commit to one, and we only get the blessing of one of the covenants? even though we protect all the different covenants and we are allied to all of them? I just don’t understand. For this point, I might have a lack of understanding, but I have heard similar confusion under many other players and blizzard never really explained this, so an explanation on why this is supposed to make sense would already really help.

Personally, I think the game would just be better off, letting us ally with all of the covenants. Maybe we only get to become ‘close friends’ or something with one, and upgrade only one sanctum, that is fine by me. But please save me from having this amount of frustration from playing a video game that I am supposed to like.

Blizzard, I ask you sincerely, please let us covenant switch at will, or decouple the abilities and soulbinds (because those are power-related) from the rest of the covenant campaign and covenant locking.

Sincerely,
Bart

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If they kept the abilities and such to open world and removed them from dungeons and raids, it would solve the problem, no?

And then even in open world, because we helped them all, for it to change per zone except the maw.

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“If the ripcord won’t be pulled, can they at least pull the ripcord?” - this topic

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That would also solve the problem, but they would probably never do that.

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I personally don’t really care either way I’m just bored and commenting on all the threads :crazy_face:

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can we at least switch covenants at will?

That is the ripcord.

I think people are approaching this system from the wrong angle.

It’s like a small class. You’re not supposed to just pick the FotM - and if you try to do that, Blizzard are gonna nerf it. Try to FotM this thing and you’ll be miserable.

Treat it like your class - treat it like your race.

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Treat it like your whamen

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Hurr hurr.

But seriously, the way this system turns out depends entirely on how you’re going to treat it. If everyone agrees that it’s an FotM meta system you’re all going to be miserable, and you’re going to make one another miserable.

However, if you treat it like a class and, like with classes, don’t sit people for being “the wrong class” short of basic composition requirements, you’ll probably have a lot of fun with it precisely because you can’t change it all the time.

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The thing people wanted was never to swap covenants at will.

What people want is them to uncouple the class abilities from the covenants.

Choosing a covenant and locking in that story & cosmetics is awesome. But we should be able to freely swap between the class abilities like talents.

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I can see that that is how blizzard intends it. Personally however, if my class sucks in mythic+, I push high m+ on an alt and I keep raiding on my main (and just do weekly +10/+15).
However, maybe my mage won’t be bad in either raid or mythic+, but they are only good if I switch covenant abilities. Am I supposed to level a second mage?

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Yea, I thought this was the ripcord, but everyone is commenting otherwise on this post, but blizzard has shown that they will not do this, which makes me sad and look to some alternative to salvage this crappy system.

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Considering the fact that they made the levelling hilariously easier, I don’t see why you couldn’t if that’s how you want to play the game.

You can also make a choice of priority. Remember that raids are a static difficulty but M+ are a dynamic difficulty. As long as your raid performance is good enough to not be a hindrance to progression, I see no problem.

99% of the time when you wipe in a raid, even in Mythic, it’s because someone’s standing in trash or failing some other mechanic because they’re playing something they’re miserable at. So if you really like the M+ build and think you can do really well with that in raids too, I won’t stop you - even if there is a 2% better option.

I’ve been very clear about this to my guild and just about everyone else I’m going to play with. I care about results. Deliver them, and I’ll be off your back. Don’t deliver them, and I might suggest changing covenant or similar such actions. Don’t deliver them and refuse to try, and we’re gonna have problems.

So I’d rather Blizzard makes sure the abilities are balanced and focuses on that. I don’t really care if you can change them at will. Again, treat it like a class.

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I fail to see how locking transmogs is fine. I’m pretty sure a lot of players would like to change it as freely as abilities.

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I see your point and I agree with many of them.
However, I am being blocked from playing the game in the way that I enjoy. Why do I have to jump through all these hoops to play the game how I enjoy, and in turn not enjoy it anymore? it sucks, I want to play this game how I enjoy and blizzard puts a wall in between me and the way I enjoy playing the game

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That’s not the transmog I would go mad about it tbh

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Well because its cosmetic, locking cosmetics behind choice/effort is what makes them unique and special.

If you choose Kyrian, while the majority chose Venthyr and you get an awesome transmog that very few people have because of that, that can give you a sense of pride that you went Kyrian.

But coupling player power to that choice is awful, the choice should be purely cosmetic and NOT changeable.

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It’s called identity in roleplaying. It’s important.

If I were in Blizzard’s shoes right now I’d have gone even further. Doubled down so hard you’d think I’d gone insane. You would probably hate my guts. I’d also have gone in a very different direction with character customisation and, in particular, transmog and the barbershop.

Anyway, **** this meta-slavery hyper-competitive FotM mentality. It’s not good for the game - and I’m extremely concerned that this community has become so jaded with the game world that they cannot see how a game world should create their gameplay. They think it can and should be two separate things. It’s total failure.

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And doesn’t the same logic apply to abilities?

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Nope, because cosmetics dont affect your performance in game, abilities do

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Well, do 8 world quests for said covenant and you can change it. unless they change that idea.