You still have to intereact regardless.
But isn’t that the prime example of a casual playing with other casuals not being able to raid and clear said raid on Normal?
Normal difficulty should be more casual friendly. It’s the “normal” raid experience, it literally has it IN THE NAME!
LFR should be for the casual-players (matchmaking)
Normal should be for the casual-players (premade)
Heroic should be for the core-players
Mythic should be for the hardcore-players
It’s just that simple!
And it is. It is very easy. But it still requires SOME sort of effort. Not a lot but at least a tiny bit. If you want to do NOTHING and still raid then thats lfr. If you want to put in a little effort thats Normal, if you want to put in a normal amount of effort its heroic and if you wanna no life its mythic.
Good for you. In your world, it is Tetris. Still hard for most.
And that’s the problem I think. Not saying people are incompetent these days, but often it feels like they are. Personally it is my perception that it is so, because there are too many factors in WoW raiding that make raiding for some people insanely hard to do.
One of those reasons would be for example the telegraphing in WoW. It is inconsistent, sometimes incredibly unreadable and often it doesn’t really indicate what is going to happen after the cast.
Another is the lack of help for the players from the developers. For example, there is this raid warning system, but it doesn’t have auto messages. People use stuff like WeakAuras telling you to dodge AoE X at time Y with spoken audio line Z informing you about it…
Why do players need to make an addon first, because Blizzard can’t just make an “auto raid warning system” that automatically casts a raid warning announcing the attack when a boss uses a special, raid-wiping ability? Why is Blizzard NOT doing this for LFR and Normal mode, DESPITE KNOWING how bad some people are at the game but yet still want to raid?
A good player that knows for what to look out for will never need such a raid warning system. A bad player does! A good player would at worst only get lazy on spotting special attacks. A bad player would just have enough help to make it.
It is (as example) the same dilemma with enabled people holding back disabled people in certain activities. A change in favor for the disabled people doesn’t make it worse for the enabled people to do.
It does. There usually is a cast time or some sort of clear visual that something is about to go down. People are just blind and use weak auras to make it more clear.
But it does. A lot of people like a challange. If the challange gets removed because some people can’t handle it it takes away from the fun of the challange. Blizzard can definetly improve on visuals and maybe even special controler support for people who use more then just a regular keyboard but saying that removing difficulty from a game is not taking away from others is just wrong. It’s exactly why people who ask for an easy mode in dark souls or Elden ring get ratiod and flamed into oblivion.
I’m sorry for putting in any amount of effort. But if you think i feel bad because people who are to lazy to do litteraly anything to improve their gaming experience have struggles you are wrong. I don’t believe everybody deserves to clear stuff. Everybody deserves a CHANCE to clear stuff but if you clear it ultimetly is dependant on the amount of effort, patience and skill you bring to the table.
I just said it’s hard not doable. Easy for me is mowing everything down ignoring tactics. Raid is hard but if you are patient and respect mechanics you will clear.
I don’t like condescending people saying, oh the raid is super easy; you all just suck.
It’s hard not easy how it’s supposed to be.
Are you serious?
You know that some people like to play solo - guild wise at least, and not everyone plays with friends.
My real life friends who do play MMOs , don’t play WoW. And I don’t even try to find friends ingame.
Having friends ingame would require doing things sometimes that i dont want or like doing,same with guild.
Sure when i was younger i could commit alot more time to gaming,but these days i cant.
And i enjoy gaming solo,but that doesn’t mean some content shouldn’t be clearable for me.
I ended up joining some guild,but I didn’t clear any content with them.
They raid at times that i can’t be online and they do m+20 while i can barely do 15-16s.
So i ended up pugging raids ,normal and heroic is cleared 8/8 ,and i even managed to clear mythic Erranog.
It’s hard getting the group to listen and that’s about it.
The amount of players that expect to get carried is higher then amount who actually knows what to do and i would say that’s the main problem.
Fully aware, every other game I’ve ever played is a solo game, even in DS I disable online functions.
An edit to my last entry would be, higher end raid content. This isn’t directed at people like you, you’re clearly a competent player. I believe OP is directed towards people who whinge about this content being hard or like you said yourself, expect being carried.
Now as for not matching with your guild, here’s what I did to help myself out. Most conventional raid schedules don’t fit my work/life schedule. So firstly I looked for a guild that raids unusual hours, and I found one! Turns out there’s a few guilds out there that do different hours.
Secondly, I looked for a guild that takes more pride on their community over their achievements. Turns out you can get a bunch of casuals who still want to play well and get them to raid mythic (with a bit of patience and determination that is… 
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I am by default a solo player, I don’t care about competition, esports or anything like that. I’m still amazed by how much better wow is with a group of friends (even if it’s just your guildies whom you’ve never met irl, who knows maybe one day you will).
And i don’t like lazy people saying the Raid is to hard you are all just sweaty no life neckbeards if you say otherwhise.
Rarely if ever when talking about the difficulty of Normal and Heroic raids are players talking about the mechanics; the issue is having to wait for everyone to get on the same page.
You’re not special because you can remember 3 mechanics on Heroic, you tried to mask it but your Opening post was littered with this undertone.
To be giving people advice on how to remember 3 mechanics is insulting, yet here you are doing it.
Actually not. If you look into the post i recommend them checking out Raid groups and statics and getting clear communication and preperation for raiding done. And if people struggle to remember 3 mechanics, then giving them tipps on how to remember 3 mechanics is not insulting at all if you ask me even thow i did not give them any tipps in that regard.
Not everyone can have a huge Trousersnake like you. I´m sure its impressive. You look at it while posting things like that?
I mean do you always stop reading after a first sentance? There is an entire text bellow that goes deeper into what i mean with it. But i’m sure there will come mutch of this discussion from somebody who stops reading after 2 lines of text and goes straight to insulting.
But here i explain it again for you: The start sentance is meant to point out that a lot of puggers seem to think that Raiding normal is to hard because they do have been playing for a while now and obviously that means they must do it right. In fact thow, pugging has very little to do with actuall raiding and there for gives a false sense of the difficulty of the content. So while they think they do everything right they miss out on a lot of things thats part of raiding.
Interesting theory, considering pugging is the content most players do.
Let me try without the sarcasm. Normal is too hard for the overwhelming majority of WoWplayers. It makes no sense to cater to like 10% of the playerbase.
Your proving exactly my point. “We don’t want to put in any amount of effort to better our experience so the game must be at fault.”
There is a game mode for people like that. It’s called LFR. It allows you to experiencce the same content as everybody else. If you want better gear then well people better put in the tiny amount of time and effort it takes to find a proper group. Or they just have to wait a bit longer until the pugs figured out their disorganized ways and settle on one method to clear raid. Logically better gear comes from more difficult content. If you want that gear, do the more difficult content. If you don’t care about the gear, you don’t have to do the content.
It’s exactly what i talked about when writing about setting your goals in the game. Naturally the best gear comes from harder to reach sources. If the easy things would result in the biggest provit why would anybody do the hard stuff?
Normal is easy. Can clear it in an hour and is very forgiving if you make a mistake. I would argue its one of the easiest normal modes we have had in a while. Even if you completely mess up on the first 6 bosses its usually a kill, and raz has a couple of mechanics.
And what if it is an optional setting? In the accessibility options? It doesn’t have to be default-on
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